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Do Christians and Muslims worship the same Deity?

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by Genna, Aug 30, 2006.

  1. dawny0826

    dawny0826 Mother Heathen

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    There's no doubt in my mind that we worship the very same God of Abraham.

    The differences lie in our interpretation of God and his nature.

    I'm a Christian who believes that Jesus Christ was God in the flesh and is my Saviour. Naturally, Muslims and I aren't going to see eye to eye.

    Our approach to worship differs. Still, I believe very much that their God is very much the very same God that love and adore. Our God is Love.
     
  2. roli

    roli Born Again,Spirit Filled

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    Of course they will,and also that Abraham took Ishmael not Jacob to the mount to sacrifice him, but God spared him,that is not how the scriptures go,Jacob was the line from which Jesus would come,but it is however how some interpret it so as to suit particular beliefs.
    As a matter of fact the verse that talks about the prophet of Islam(Muhumad)and those like him that followed after him would have to in all honesty be in Deut 18:20
    Deu 18:20 But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die.

    Deut 18 is talking about the Messiah ,the Son of God the seed from Gen as the new testment scriptures indicate that Jesus died and rose again to conquer hell death and the grave and put satan in his rightful place as the scriptures below declare
    Genisis actually mentions that the seed God was referring to was His son,I am sure some may attempt to change that as well as meaning Muhamad was the seed
    Gen 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

    1Jo 3:8He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

    Hbr 2:14Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;
    Col 2:15And (Jesus)having disarmed the powers and authorities, he made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them by the cross.
    Rev 1:18 I [am] he(Jesus) that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

    Muhamad was a man who never died for the sins of men nor did he rise when he did die.he needed a savior Just like all Jesus disciples,every pope, priest, and pastor will need to have the garment of rightousness applied to their coats of flesh in order for them to enter God;s presence

    The scriptures point to Christ from Genisis to Revealtion
    Jesus set captivity free by the power of the cross and was the perfect sacrifice God required,he aboilished death and brought life and immoratilty
     
  3. TashaN

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    The bible state anyway it was about Ishaq but not Jacob because Jacob is the son of ishaq. :p

    Indeed, any prophet who did so shall die but prophet Mohammed didn't call for other gods but for God, God of Abraham, Moses, Jesus Christ and all prophets before them "peace be upon them all".

    Show me where God said that a prophet shall die for the sin of the world to be acknowledged?

    Why you like to scarfice your prophets this easily, being so happy about it and gratful?

    So you are claiming now that Moses and the other prophets in the bible also are not prophets because they didn't die for the sins of people who were born to find themselves guilty for somthing they never did?

    ONLY by the name of God but not with his own power.
     
  4. roli

    roli Born Again,Spirit Filled

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    Jesus says a house divided amongst itself will not stand,
    have you been reading the state of affairs of christians around the world www.persecution.net
    www.persecution.net/pnp.htm.
    You must know that most of the killing of Christians around the world is by professing muslims.I mean from little children to seniors,that is fact.
    Jhn 16:2 They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service.
    1Jo 1:5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.
    1Jo 1:6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: (jeus is the way the truth and the life)
    1Jo 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

    So are you saying we are all going to enter into God's heaven regardless of what we do,who and what we believe.as long as it looks and sounds like spirituality/religion
    You can't possibly stop there you must conclude that all other religions outside of those spiritually born again followers of Christ are worshipping the same God, if that is the case why are they following the dieties who's doctrines are different and that refute,contridict and oppose the teachings of scipture,why do so many of the religions have their own variety of special books and teachings contrary to sound doctrine.
    God says, they have a form of godliness but deny the power thereof,(that being the Holy Spirit)
    I am sorry but there are some common faith principals that are practice and even some moral teaching,but the religions,beliefs are worlds apart,so is their god.
    He is not far from any of us and he is not willing that any perish,nor is he a respector of people ,but when it comes to believeing in and following the same God we only have access through Jesus by His Spirit
    Rom 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
    Jhn 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, [even] to them that believe on his name:

    There must be a a belief,(trust in.rely on and obedience)
    There must be a recieving of the gift of eternal life by faith not works ,otherwise Christ died in vain, a cofession that Jesus is Lord and came in the flesh,died rose again and is seated in heaven.
    Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
    Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

    I believe that the muslims including all their various sects intend to pray to the same god and expect to see God,but there are differences that set us apart that are clear from scirpture and by their fruit you will know them.
    1Jo 2:19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would [no doubt] have continued with us: but [they went out], that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.
    Jhn 5:43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.

    Although they believe in the existence god and of who Jesus was ,born from a virgin,lived as a prophet, teacher,and died to save the jews.
    The question is have they recieved Christ as savior and recieved the spirit of God ,that is how you identify a child of God
    Not by association or comformity to certain practices.
    But to say that the same god they pray,worship and serve is the same from the God of Abraham Issac Jacob, is not accurate according to the truth of scripture,if the spirit is indeed dwelling within you.
    Maybe back in Ishmael's day they were still calling on the God of Jacob ,but as time went by ,new doctrines formed ,new radical approaches and sacrificial forms of worship came.Certain prophets,leaders came to be followed more than God.

    I would have to believe that my God will not allow me to strap a bomb to myself,target hundreds of people in the name of God and expect to enter heaven welcomed by many wives,
    There is no marriage in heaven.
    It's not by works your saved, if so then God made a big mistake sending Jesus.
    It might do you good to read the rest of this parable Matt 25
    Mat 25:32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth [his] sheep from the goats:
    Mat 25:33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.

    Read Matt 13: 24-30 if you understand the parables you will know what this is talking about.
     
  5. dawny0826

    dawny0826 Mother Heathen

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    No. I don't. And I don't believe that ALL religious groups worship the same God.

    Did I not say that Christians and Muslims VIEW God differently and their approach to worship is different?

    You don't have to explain to me the DIFFERENCES between Christianity and Islam. I'm quite aware of them.
     
  6. TashaN

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    What does this verse supposed to mean?

    [157] That they said (in boast), "We killed Al-Masih 'Isa the son of Maryam, the Messenger of Allah"; but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not.


    [158] Nay, Allah raised him up unto Himself; and Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise. (Quran, Surah 4:157-158)

    So you mean the Jews are worshiping another God for neglecting Jesus as a savior?

    Where is Ishmael in your list? :D

    You have no proof until now that Muslims are worshiping another God !!!

    I don't believe that you really know what is the meaning of God. When someone says he believe in God, the God of Abraham, Moses, Jesus and Mohammed so you have to know that they do worship him but just because they are different, you come and dismiss their beliefs in God, this is totally absurd.

    You are so confused, sorry to say so, but it's the truth.

    I thought Jesus is your God, but here you are saying that God sent Jesus. Can you explain that please.
     
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  7. roli

    roli Born Again,Spirit Filled

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    We we are either for him or against him ,with him or opposed to him,there is no luke warm believers.
    That's cool, I was thinking you were quite liberal sounding and somewhat poltically correct, many say they are christians but if you scratch the surface it is a type of Christianity that is not in accordance with the bible.
    They view God differently and that is huge,because they don't know who he truly is as portrayed in scriptures,they Jhn 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
    They intend to worship the God we serve but in reality they are worshipping something totally contary to the God of Abraham.
    I can't see how that can make it the same God as we worship.

    Jesus said if they don't recieve him they won't recieve his father
    Jhn 8:19 Then said they unto him, Where is thy Father? Jesus answered, Ye neither know me, nor my Father: if ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also.
     
  8. dawny0826

    dawny0826 Mother Heathen

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    I'm well aware of this.


    It's NOT the same type of worship. I've stated this. I don't disagree with you.

    There is no reconciliation to God without belief and faith in Christ Jesus. So, yes, we believe quite, quite differently.

    I'm a Christian. We're on the same page here.;)
     
  9. Booko

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    Probably because he hasn't looked into Islam much.

    I found the assertion that Muslims think they get into Paradise via works to be an interesting take.

    I hadn't noticed any of y'all giving up on the necessity of faith recently. ;)
     
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    Gee, Ymir, what to you make of us Baha'is? Did we "hijack" the roots of Judaism, Chrsitianity, and Islam?

    Would you say the 10th grade teacher "hijacked" 9th grade when they teach something based on the foundation laid out in 9th grade? :sarcastic

    Ah, it would be a different thread to discuss the radical differences, I suppose. Toss in the other Abrahamic faiths for good measure, because Islam in many ways, like its view of God, is close to Judaism, and it's Christianity that's the departure. :shrug:

    No, but we humans certainly can be.

    And therein lies the problem with a lot of those "radical differences."

    Oh, here's a suggestion: God is one. All else is commentary.

    And the human commentary, we get off sometimes.

    That doesn't mean anyone is worshipping a "different" God. It just means they have different descriptions of what God is.

    And since we're fallible beings, all of our descriptions of God are wrong anyway. We are anything but omniscient.
     
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    They don't even give God different names necessarily.

    Arabic-speaking Christians pray to "Allah."
     
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    roli Born Again,Spirit Filled

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    Read the bible God has been indentified as 1 in 3 forms , again hard to understand myself but in the spirit I am at rest with the how God manifests himself through his spirit and His Son
     
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    Oh, you know this yourself from investigating them all?

    So, basically you don't believe the Qu'ran when it clearly says that Christians and Jews and Sabaens who believe in Allah and the Last Day will have nothing to fear or regret.

    Do you believe everything anyone tells you? Or do you take a little time to find out it it's true?

    You certainly have enough people here to ask, if you want to find out. We actually live in the West, and would know.

    If this person meant to include the US, I'd say that he's pretty much full of beans.
     
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    You didn't ask me, Genna, but Baha'is don't believe our religion is the last. As long as humanity exists, there will not be a "last" prophet, because we are always growing, and always in need of education. For any beneficient God to leave us in the dark is not very...beneficient.

    Just as the ancient religions have passed out of human memory, or sometimes are no more than a name, so our religion will be in time.
     
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    Mormons have a prophet so (I'm assuming) they believe in continuing revelation and that the revelation has not been "finalized" so to speak. But, I don't know for sure if this is correct. :help:
     
  16. Booko

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    Keep reading your Bible a few more verses, Lilithu, you missed another 6 sons. ;)

    Abraham had another wife called Keturah, and she had six sons (Zimran, Jokshan, Medan, Midian, Ishbak, and Shuah) which became the six tribes of the Medes. (1 Chronicles 32, 33)

    Three of those tribes moved to Persia.
     
  17. TashaN

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    Does she have to say that all Muslims are not worshiping the same God to be a REAL christian who follow the bible?

    I don't really know why they think so about Islam.

    All of us will enter to paradise only through the mercy of God but not our work because how much we did, it won't be enough to deserve paradise automatically, we are not perfect.
     
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    Prophet Mohammed was calling by the name of God and he didn't speak in his own name. If you ever can proof ANYTHING so i'm waiting because you produced none until now but vague verses from the bible which don't fit your feeble argument.

    This is what we call, the Holy Quran. It seems that you are living in another world buddy, for not knowing what is the Quran.

    Why?

    Can you please stick to this a little bit.

    One God (the father). You brought up this by yourself. Why are you worshiping the son then?

    I challenge you to bring any verse from the bible where Jesus says: I'm God, worship me.

    Please don't tell me he was a humble God that's why he didn't say so because no one will buy such a thing from a god. ;)

    If the Jews as you just stated don't worship the same God (the father) then why are you using the verses in the (OT) which God revealed to their prophet?

    Why don't you use only the New Testament only? Is your scripture incomplete without the Jews scipture which you deny that they worship the same God with you?

    How ironic. :rolleyes:

    Wow, talking in behave of God now. Amazing.

    Which God are you talking about, i'm confused now !!!

    God "the father" or the other God which you worship "Jesus"?

    It's strange you know ...

    Jesus cried with a loud voice, "Eli, Eli, la'ma sabach-tha'ni" that is, "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" And some of the bystanders hearing it said, "This man is calling Eli'jah." And one of them at once ran and took a sponge, filled it with vinegar, and put it on a reed, and gave it to him to drink. But the others said, "Wait, let us see whether Eli'jah will come to save him." And Jesus cried again with a loud voice and yielded up his spirit. (Matthew 27:27-50)

    Was he crying calling himself?

    1- You claim the your god (Jesus) was CRYING because of his own creatures who were making hims uffering? What kind of god is that? a god crying?

    2- If he was really a god and the father is the same as the son then whom he was calling?

    - Was he calling himself or somthing? :confused:

    Excuse me?

    If you don't understand such a thing why then you believe in it?

    Just because your church say so?

    I don't think you would know somthing called the TRINITY or the 3 in one 1 thing if you were alone with the bible with no thoughts being forced upon you by others (i.e. Church).
     
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    How ironic that you would begin your long anti-Muslim diatribe with this quote. Because to me that's exactly what you are doing - dividing the children of Abraham into "us" versus "them." "If you're not with us, you're against us." The exact same attitude as the people who strap bombs on themselves.

    I can't tell you how much I wish we could take yall who insist on fighting and put you on a continent to yourselves and let you duke it out to your hearts' content - in the name of God, of course. :rolleyes: And leave the rest of us in peace.
     
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    That is a good question, hmmm...
     
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