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Are you speaking from personal experience here?
As the friend of someone who was struggling with addiction, to support them I would go to meetings with them, AA, NA so yes my comment was based on my observations.
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Are you speaking from personal experience here?
I know several good psychologists that will not even take on an addicted patient unless they are willing to work a 12 step program. They understand that there is no point trying help someone that is not sober. This refers, however, to drugs and alcohol. How they would respond to a sex or gambling addiction might be different. And of course it would be different for a food addiction.Oh I don’t doubt it’s helpfulness.
I just have a couple of doubts of its theory, so to speak.
It’s always seemed like a well intentioned group therapy session but run by laymen.
That’s just my impression of 12 step programs.
As I am not trained in mental health, I can only really speculate as a layman myself.
I do know some folks working in mental health, to various degrees. I’m kind of curious of their take on it now.
Well, for one thing it helps the addict recognize and take responsibility for the actions they've engaged in while drunk or high. One of the toughest aspects of addiction to deal with is the denial, and the blaming of everyone and everything but one's self. Often doing harm to the those closest to the addict. So it's important that the addict trying to get sober face, fully, their own culpability and responsibility for their predicament. It's also very important for them to understand that they are not unique, or alone in this. That they have people around them who have experienced the same self-destructive insanity, and that are a little further ahead of them in the process of dealing with it. So that these people can and will help them.I personally can't see how regaling others with stories of humiliation and addiction does any good.
What is "an addiction to 12 step programs"? Aren't you confusing a reliance on them to stay clean and sober with an "addiction"? Why do you see this reliance as being so bad that you'd consider it an addiction?I don't think 12-step programs are effective against an addiction to 12-step programs. This is a major failing, given how many of those programs there are these days.
Well I can understand that. A person needs to have willingness to go through with some kind of help. Otherwise the doctor is just wasting their time. Not meaning that to sound harsh, but with the exception of emergency medical cases, I can understand having to jump at least one hurdle before getting help for addiction.I know several good psychologists that will not even take on an addicted patient unless they are willing to work a 12 step program. They understand that there is no point trying help someone that is not sober. This refers, however, to drugs and alcohol. How they would respond to a sex or gambling addiction might be different. And of course it would be different for a food addiction.
I've said before, it was meant to be a tiny bit of humour, based on self-reference, as expressed by the purple emoji. Obviously a failure, mea maxima culpa.What is "an addiction to 12 step programs"? Aren't you confusing a reliance on them to stay clean and sober with an "addiction"? Why do you see this reliance as being so bad that you'd consider it an addiction?
Sorry, I missed that.I've said before, it was meant to be a tiny bit of humour, based on self-reference, as expressed by the purple emoji. Obviously a failure, mea maxima culpa.