nPeace
Veteran Member
I don't comprehend.Well now that's interesting, because in your later post you state that such trees are based on genetic data.
I guess we should be happy that you corrected yourself.
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DNA - Blueprint for Life?
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Jose Fly
Fisker of men
First you claimed that phylogenetic trees were based on mere "guesswork", but then later you copied material that said they are based on genetic data. So I was a little hopeful that maybe you'd learned something.I don't comprehend.
nPeace
Veteran Member
Ha Ha. I like that.Well now that's interesting, because in your later post you state that such trees are based on genetic data.
I guess we should be happy that you corrected yourself.
Could you find my exact words where I said it's based on guesswork?
Not that I am denying it. I just want to see how I worded it.
Also if I copy paste a piece of material from a website, I have not stated anything. It's not a statement by me.
Ha Ha. interesting.
Jose Fly
Fisker of men
Post #39:
"The evidence I claim to have is far from accurate.
It is merely guesswork based on my diagram.
This is the case with the phylogenetic tree"
"Interesting"......I suppose that's one way to put it.Also if I copy paste a piece of material from a website, I have not stated anything. It's not a statement by me.
nPeace
Veteran Member
Yes. Exactly. I have not contradicted myself.
The information I linked to was merely to show it was not accurate.
What they say, does not change what I said.
Gathering information by studying genes, does not mean you no longer have to assume, or infer, from your observations, in order to build your tree (coming at you shortly on the Watchmaker, with more details on that).
You might even remember I said this.
Everything about evolution is based on a tree that is inaccurate.
So looking for evidence to fit the tree can obviously appear supportive, but it is based on what was presumed.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
The problem was that you said it was "guess work". Your link showed that it was not. You broke the Ninth Commandment and now refuse to admitmit. Nor was it even "inaccurate ". You shot yourself in the foot once again.
Jose Fly
Fisker of men
I was just hoping you'd learn something.
You said it was based on guesswork, the Wiki page said they're based on genetic data. So there we are.
And as we covered before, there's nothing problematic with inferences.
Well, given that you're a Jehovah's Witness, your opinions on evolutionary biology don't carry much weight at all.
nPeace
Veteran Member
Hypothesis
a supposition or proposed explanation made on the basis of limited evidence as a starting point for further investigation.
Hypothesis
A working hypothesis is a provisionally accepted hypothesis proposed for further research, in a process beginning with an educated guess or thought.
Fancy words don't mean nuthin.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Not correct. Try again. The hypotheses that we are discussing are scientific hypotheses. You left out an extremely important qualification. Was that due to ignorance or due to dishonesty?
ETA: It looks like it was dishonesty since the second sentence of the source that you used was rather clear:
" For a hypothesis to be a scientific hypothesis, the scientific method requires that one can test it."
Hypothesis - Wikipedia
Those hypotheses were not only testable, they were tested and confirmed.
ecco
Veteran Member
AmenI don't comprehend.
nPeace
Veteran Member
Hallelujah!
Jose Fly
Fisker of men
As the Wiki page you linked to explained, phylogenetic trees are based on actual data, such as genetic sequences.
Is that a problem for you?
nPeace
Veteran Member
Genetic Sequencing. Ha Ha. What's the difference?
See you shortly... as promised.
I'm just looking at a few posts before I get to you. Relax.
Jose Fly
Fisker of men
The difference between using genetic sequences and just guessing? You really need that explained to you?
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
This is the same science that allows courts to decide if you are or are not the father or worse yet the rapist. Do you have a problem with this?Genetic Sequencing. Ha Ha. What's the difference?
See you shortly... as promised.
I'm just looking at a few posts before I get to you. Relax.
Audie
Veteran Member
That last borders on ad hom.
But only if he came up with something significant.
Moldy pratts are moldy no matter from who.
Audie
Veteran Member
Only if.
Salvador
RF's Swedenborgian
There is indeed a mark of intelligence left in our genetic code as evident by how the numeric and semantic message of 037 appears in our genetic code. Each codon relates to 3 other particular codons having the same particular type of initial nucleobase and sequential nucleobase subsequently then followed by a different ending nucleobase. Half of these 4 set of codon groups ( whole family codons ) each code for the same particular amino acid. The other half of those 4 set of codon groups ( split codons ) don't code for the same amino acid. So then, in the case of whole family codons, there are 37 amino acid peptide chain nucleons for each relevant nucleobase determinant of how a particular amino acid gets coded. Start codons express 0 at the beginning of 37 Hence, the meaningful numeric and semantic message of 037 gets unambiguously and factually conveyed to us descendants of our cosmic ancestor(s) with our genetic code invented by a superior intelligence beyond that of anybody presently bound to Earth.
“There is no plausible chemical logic to couple directly the triplets and the amino acids. In other words, the principles of chemistry where not the sought essence of the genetic code”
“The zero is the supreme abstraction of arithmetic. Its use by any alphabet, including the genetic code, can be an indicator of artificiality.”
"The place-value decimal system represented through digital symmetry of the numbers divisible by prime number (PN 037). This arithmetical syntactic feature is an innate attribute of the genetic code. The PN 037 notation with a leading zero emphasizes zero's equal participation in the digital symmetry. Numbers written by identical digits are devised by PN 037*3=111 and 1+1+1=3 and appear regularly [from the figure: 037*6 =222 and 2+2+2=6, 037*9=333 and 3+3+3 =9, 037*4=444 and 4+4+4=12, 037*15=555 and 5+5+5=15, 037*18=666 and 6+6+6=18, 037*21=777 and 7+7+7 =21. 037*24 =888 and 8+8+8=24, 037*27=999 and 9+9+9=27.)"
"There is a complete set of information symbols utilizing the decimal syntax 111, 222, 333, 444, 555, 666, 777, 888, 999 in the genetic code. Each of these symbols consists uniformly of a carrier (balanced nucleons) and a meaning (the decimal syntax)."
Reference: The "Wow! signal" of the terrestrial genetic code. Vladimir l. shCherbak and Maxim A. Makukov. Redirectinghttps://www.scribd.com/document/35302916...netic-Code
"The first information system emerged on the earth as primordial version of the genetic code and genetic texts. The natural appearance of arithmetic power in such a linguistic milieu is theoretically possible and practical for producing information systems of extremely high efficiency. In this case, the arithmetic symbols should be incorporated into an alphabet, i.e. the genetic code. A number is the fundamental arithmetic symbol produced by the system of numeration. If the system of numeration were detected inside the genetic code, it would be natural to expect that its purpose is arithmetic calculation e.g., for the sake of control, safety, and precise alteration of the genetic texts. The nucleons of amino acids and the bases of nucleic acids seem most suitable for embodiments of digits. These assumptions were used for the analyzing the genetic code.
The compressed, life-size, and split representation of the Escherichia coli and Euplotes octocarinatus code versions were considered simultaneously. An exact equilibration of the nucleon sums of the amino acid standard blocks and/or side chains was found repeatedly within specified sets of the genetic code. Moreover, the digital notations of the balanced sums acquired, in decimal representation, the unique form 111, 222, …, 999. This form is a consequence of the criterion of divisibility by 037. The criterion could simplify some computing mechanism of a cell if any and facilitate its computational procedure.
Reference: Biosystems Volume 70, Issue 3, August 2003, Pages 187-209
"Arithmetic inside the universal genetic code" Author: Vladimir I. shCherbak
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/ar...4703000662
"Numerous arithmetical regularities of nucleon numbers of canonical amino acids for quite different systematizations of the genetic code, which are dominantly based on decimal number 037, indicate the hidden existence of a more universal ordering principle. Mathematical analysis of number 037 reveals that it is a unique decimal number from which an infinite set of self-similar numbers can be derived with the nested numerical, geometrical, and arithmetical properties, thus enabling the nested coding and computing in the (bio)systems by geometry and resonance. The omnipresent fractal structural and dynamical organization, as well as the intertwining of quantum and classical realm in the physical and biological systems could be just the consequence of such coding and computing."
Reference: NeuroQuantology | December 2011 | Vol 9 | Issue 4 | Page 702-715 Masic, Natasa Nested Properties of shCherbak’s PQ 037 and (Biological) Coding/Computing Nested Numeric/Geometric/Arithmetic Propertiesof shCherbak’s Prime Quantum 037 as a Base of (Biological) Coding/Computing
http://Nested Numeric/Geometric/Arithmetic Properties
wellwisher
Well-Known Member
The most important material in life is water. Water was there from the very beginning, and due to its unique chemical properties and its chemical stability, water induces changes in the organics while forever remaining the same. Water is one bookend. Evolution is about the other changing bookend.
Is anyone aware that the DNA and RNA are the most hydrated molecules in the cell. This means they have the most compatibility with water. This was the goal from the beginning. The goal of the water was to design/induce/evolve organic materials that were so compatible with water, there is very little potential between. The DNA is the result.
Water organizes everything in the cell. This is based on the water-oil affect. If we mix water and oil (organics) and agitate, we form an emulsion. The emulsion maximizes entropy. If we let the mixture settle, it will self organize back into two layers.
The impact of water on the organics of life induces self organization in both water and organics. Random mixtures of organic in water lose their randomness. Although this self organization lowers free energy, it causes the entropy to decrease, since two layers is a less complex system than the emulsion. This violates the second law which states that entropy needs to increase. The need to increase entropy after water separate the layers, is the drive of evolution.
Water is very stable, so it does not change. The change needed to satisfy the second law occurs on the organic side, with the ultimate goal of maximizing stable organic complexity within the water. The maximum hydration defined by the DNA was the goal from the beginning, since it simultaneously lowers free energy and maximizes entropy in water. The DNA was part of what is referred to as an intelligent or deterministic design. It was not a random design, since the exact atomic composition of DNA is keyed for water as inferred by its maximum hydration.
It is not coincidence that hydrogen bonding is the way the DNA binds as a template and holds the double helix together. This mimics water. DNA is important, but it is not what makes a cell alive. The interaction of the organics and ions with water causes life.
This can be proven by simply dehydrating a cell and seeing if anything works and whether it is still alive. What one will find is nothing works and al signs of life are gone. Next, add any other solvent you can think of to replace water. The result is nothing will work properly, including the DNA. There is still no life. Water plays a key role in the dynamics of the DNA and it cannot be replaced by any other solvent. DNA is tuned to water. The DNA is like a DVD. It has data, but it does nothing without a system to read it; water.
Modern biology is obsolete, since it does not include water in proportion to its contribution. Biology still uses a casino science approach, even though this approach was debunked in the 1950's, by the observation that showed that proteins fold with exact folds, instead of in a random way due ito thermal vibrations, as implied by statistical theory. The exact folding is caused by the water-oil affect. The science swamp was in it for the money and not the truth, since it should have change gears 60 years ago.
Is anyone aware that the DNA and RNA are the most hydrated molecules in the cell. This means they have the most compatibility with water. This was the goal from the beginning. The goal of the water was to design/induce/evolve organic materials that were so compatible with water, there is very little potential between. The DNA is the result.
Water organizes everything in the cell. This is based on the water-oil affect. If we mix water and oil (organics) and agitate, we form an emulsion. The emulsion maximizes entropy. If we let the mixture settle, it will self organize back into two layers.
The impact of water on the organics of life induces self organization in both water and organics. Random mixtures of organic in water lose their randomness. Although this self organization lowers free energy, it causes the entropy to decrease, since two layers is a less complex system than the emulsion. This violates the second law which states that entropy needs to increase. The need to increase entropy after water separate the layers, is the drive of evolution.
Water is very stable, so it does not change. The change needed to satisfy the second law occurs on the organic side, with the ultimate goal of maximizing stable organic complexity within the water. The maximum hydration defined by the DNA was the goal from the beginning, since it simultaneously lowers free energy and maximizes entropy in water. The DNA was part of what is referred to as an intelligent or deterministic design. It was not a random design, since the exact atomic composition of DNA is keyed for water as inferred by its maximum hydration.
It is not coincidence that hydrogen bonding is the way the DNA binds as a template and holds the double helix together. This mimics water. DNA is important, but it is not what makes a cell alive. The interaction of the organics and ions with water causes life.
This can be proven by simply dehydrating a cell and seeing if anything works and whether it is still alive. What one will find is nothing works and al signs of life are gone. Next, add any other solvent you can think of to replace water. The result is nothing will work properly, including the DNA. There is still no life. Water plays a key role in the dynamics of the DNA and it cannot be replaced by any other solvent. DNA is tuned to water. The DNA is like a DVD. It has data, but it does nothing without a system to read it; water.
Modern biology is obsolete, since it does not include water in proportion to its contribution. Biology still uses a casino science approach, even though this approach was debunked in the 1950's, by the observation that showed that proteins fold with exact folds, instead of in a random way due ito thermal vibrations, as implied by statistical theory. The exact folding is caused by the water-oil affect. The science swamp was in it for the money and not the truth, since it should have change gears 60 years ago.
All of this is extensively studied in biochemistry and is well known. Modern biology takes full account of the interactions of hydrophilic and hydrophobic aspects of polymers (your oil-water effect).
I would point out that ammonia is also a highly stable molecule that interacts extensively via hydrogen bonding about could potentially be a base for life on a very cold planet.