Disproportionate

[King Phenomenon]

Why?
Why is that common sense?

I don't think it is, at all. Nice if it happened. But if people aren't being incarcerated due to race then it doesn't make any sense.
Tom

It's common sense because there is a lot of criminals from all walks of life

 

[King Phenomenon]

Another possibility (and it is only speculation) is that there could be a genetic propensity to commit crimes that differs between races. I once read that black males have on average higher levels of testosterone than white males, while Asian males have the lowest levels of testosterone of all races. Testosterone levels are positively correlated with aggression and criminal behavior, so this could be a possible explanation. I'm not claiming this to be the correct explanation, but it's an idea. Of course, I'm likely to be labeled as a "racist" for even suggesting such a thing. But is it true? Possibly, I don't know. It doesn't mean any race is better than any other, but there may be differences. To suggest all races have the same genetic tendencies is just ignorant.

Well I'm not sure how much more testosterone would cause somebody to break the law. To suggest all races have the same genetic tendencies isnt ignorant it just makes sense. You're suggesting that testosterone plays a part as a possibility. Can you see the possibility of all races having the same genetic tendencies? Testosterone is usually higher in the morning so does that mean that's when the most crimes occur? Also testosterone is higher in younger individuals. Do they commit more crimes because they have more testosterone or because they're young?

 

[columbus]

It's common sense because there is a lot of criminals from all walks of life

But you are assuming it's about race.
That's not the only demographic in the USA.

One of the biggest indicators of future criminal behavior is being born to parents who aren't sufficiently committed to get married. Boys growing up without fathers are much more likely to go wrong, doesn't matter what race they are.

70% of black kids are born into such dysfunctional families. 25% of white kids are. Less of Asian kids.
And the results show in incarceration rates.
Tom

 

[King Phenomenon]

Why?
Why is that common sense?

I don't think it is, at all. Nice if it happened. But if people aren't being incarcerated due to race then it doesn't make any sense.
Tom

Are you saying people arent being incarcerated because of their race or 'if' they are?

 

[columbus]

Are you saying people arent being incarcerated because of their race or 'if' they are?

I'm not saying either one. What I'm saying is that there are more factors than race.
Tom

 

[King Phenomenon]

But you are assuming it's about race.
That's not the only demographic in the USA.

One of the biggest indicators of future criminal behavior is being born to parents who aren't sufficiently committed to get married. Boys growing up without fathers are much more likely to go wrong, doesn't matter what race they are.

70% of black kids are born into such dysfunctional families. 25% of white kids are. Less of Asian kids.
And the results show in incarceration rates.
Tom

Are you suggesting that 70% of black incarcerated individuals came from fatherless homes and that 20% of white incarcerated individuals have come from broken families as well?

 

[columbus]

Are you suggesting that 70% of black incarcerated individuals came from fatherless homes and that 20% of white incarcerated individuals have come from broken families as well?

No.
Tom

 

[King Phenomenon]

But you are assuming it's about race.
That's not the only demographic in the USA.

One of the biggest indicators of future criminal behavior is being born to parents who aren't sufficiently committed to get married. Boys growing up without fathers are much more likely to go wrong, doesn't matter what race they are.

70% of black kids are born into such dysfunctional families. 25% of white kids are. Less of Asian kids.
And the results show in incarceration rates.
Tom

Are those percentages coming from the blood fathers absence with just a female head in the house or was there a boyfriend or a father figure involved?

 

[King Phenomenon]

But you are assuming it's about race.
That's not the only demographic in the USA.

One of the biggest indicators of future criminal behavior is being born to parents who aren't sufficiently committed to get married. Boys growing up without fathers are much more likely to go wrong, doesn't matter what race they are.

70% of black kids are born into such dysfunctional families. 25% of white kids are. Less of Asian kids.
And the results show in incarceration rates.
Tom

Are those numbers coming from marriages ending in divorce or the parents never being married at all?

 

[King Phenomenon]

Im sorry, I don't understand your question.

Well I don't really know another way to word it unfortunately

 

[Yazata]

You don't think? Do you know this to be true?

In 2005 (the last year I have information for), the homicide offending rate for whites was 3.5 per 100,000 population. For blacks, it was 26.5 per 100,000 population.

In 2005, 42.2% of all homicides in the United States were black on black. 8.8% were black on white. 3.2% were white on black. So in 2005, half of all homicides in the United States were committed by blacks. This despite the fact that blacks were only 12% of the US population.

Source p. 67 in the link below.

Among both blacks and whites, young males are very disproportionately homicide offenders. In 2005, among whites, males 18-24 had a homicide offending rate of 22.4 per 100,000 population. Among young blacks, males 18-24 had an appalling homicide rate of 203.3 per 100,000.

Source p. 79 in the link below.

Young black males 18-24 were 1.2% of the total US population, but were responsible for 27.8% of the country's homicides.

Source p. 82 in the link below.

Since whites tend to kill whites and blacks tend to kill blacks, attempts by the police to catch killers and bring them to justice will not only net black homicide offenders disproportionately, it will also protect the rest of the black population who are disproportionately victimized by these people. Attempts by social justice warriors to prevent the police from pursuing black offenders will only result in more black victims. Among young black males, by far the leading cause of death is other young black males (not evil white police).

If black lives truly do matter, then this needs to be addressed and not swept under the rug for fear of being called "racist". In my opinion, the proximate cause isn't the police, but rather the breakdown and collapse of the black family, along with a hugely disfunctional youth subculture that absolutely glorifies violence. Raised in single parent homes with no male role models, too many young black males essentially raise themselves in sort of a Lord of the Flies environment.

https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/htius.pdf

 

[King Phenomenon]

In 2005 (the last year I have information for), the homicide offending rate for whites was 3.5 per 100,000 population. For blacks, it was 26.5 per 100,000 population.

In 2005, 42.2% of all homicides in the United States were black on black. 8.8% were black on white. 3.2% were white on black. So in 2005, half of all homicides in the United States were committed by blacks. This despite the fact that blacks were only 12% of the US population.

Source p. 67 in the link below.

Among both blacks and whites, young males are very disproportionately homicide offenders. In 2005, among whites, males 18-24 had a homicide offending rate of 22.4 per 100,000 population. Among young blacks, males 18-24 had an appalling homicide rate of 203.3 per 100,000.

Source p. 79 in the link below.

Young black males 18-24 were 1.2% of the total US population, but were responsible for 27.8% of the country's homicides.

Source p. 82 in the link below.

Since whites tend to kill whites and blacks tend to kill blacks, attempts by the police to catch killers and bring them to justice will not only net black homicide offenders disproportionately, it will also protect the rest of the black population who are disproportionately victimized by these people. Attempts by social justice warriors to prevent the police from pursuing black offenders will only result in more black victims. Among young black males, by far the leading cause of death is other young black males (not evil white police).

If black lives truly do matter, then this needs to be addressed and not swept under the rug for fear of being called "racist". In my opinion, the proximate cause isn't the police, but rather the breakdown and collapse of the black family, along with a hugely disfunctional youth subculture that absolutely glorifies violence. Raised in single parent homes with no male role models, too many young black males essentially raise themselves in sort of a Lord of the Flies environment.

https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/htius.pdf

So all of these people from the 26.5 and 3.5 ratio were convicted of murder?

 

[Revoltingest]

The number of incarcerated individuals of a specific race should be proportionate to their respective national race population. This is common sense. After all, we're all human beings.

No, there could be cultural differences creating disparate
effects, even if the judicial were entirely just & racially blind.
Would you say that men & women should be proportionately
represented in numbers & severity of sentences?
How about by religion, ie, should more atheists be imprisoned
to make up for our shortfall? Mormons might need an
affirmative action prison admission program too? @Katzpur?

 

[King Phenomenon]

No, there could be cultural differences creating disparate
effects, even if the judicial were entirely just & racially blind.
Would you say that men & women should be proportionately
represented in numbers & severity of sentences?
How about by religion, ie, should more atheists be imprisoned
to make up for our shortfall? Mormons might need an
affirmative action prison admission program too? @Katzpur?

Yes there are other issues that need to be addressed. Atheists inprisoned? of course not. I guess if were letting women go that would be wrong and I think the sentences should fit the crime

 

[King Phenomenon]

In 2005 (the last year I have information for), the homicide offending rate for whites was 3.5 per 100,000 population. For blacks, it was 26.5 per 100,000 population.

In 2005, 42.2% of all homicides in the United States were black on black. 8.8% were black on white. 3.2% were white on black. So in 2005, half of all homicides in the United States were committed by blacks. This despite the fact that blacks were only 12% of the US population.

Source p. 67 in the link below.

Among both blacks and whites, young males are very disproportionately homicide offenders. In 2005, among whites, males 18-24 had a homicide offending rate of 22.4 per 100,000 population. Among young blacks, males 18-24 had an appalling homicide rate of 203.3 per 100,000.

Source p. 79 in the link below.

Young black males 18-24 were 1.2% of the total US population, but were responsible for 27.8% of the country's homicides.

Source p. 82 in the link below.

Since whites tend to kill whites and blacks tend to kill blacks, attempts by the police to catch killers and bring them to justice will not only net black homicide offenders disproportionately, it will also protect the rest of the black population who are disproportionately victimized by these people. Attempts by social justice warriors to prevent the police from pursuing black offenders will only result in more black victims. Among young black males, by far the leading cause of death is other young black males (not evil white police).

If black lives truly do matter, then this needs to be addressed and not swept under the rug for fear of being called "racist". In my opinion, the proximate cause isn't the police, but rather the breakdown and collapse of the black family, along with a hugely disfunctional youth subculture that absolutely glorifies violence. Raised in single parent homes with no male role models, too many young black males essentially raise themselves in sort of a Lord of the Flies environment.

https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/htius.pdf

One city in the United States in 2019 only 20% of the 500 murders that occurred resulted in arrests

 

[King Phenomenon]

In 2005 (the last year I have information for), the homicide offending rate for whites was 3.5 per 100,000 population. For blacks, it was 26.5 per 100,000 population.

In 2005, 42.2% of all homicides in the United States were black on black. 8.8% were black on white. 3.2% were white on black. So in 2005, half of all homicides in the United States were committed by blacks. This despite the fact that blacks were only 12% of the US population.

Source p. 67 in the link below.

Among both blacks and whites, young males are very disproportionately homicide offenders. In 2005, among whites, males 18-24 had a homicide offending rate of 22.4 per 100,000 population. Among young blacks, males 18-24 had an appalling homicide rate of 203.3 per 100,000.

Source p. 79 in the link below.

Young black males 18-24 were 1.2% of the total US population, but were responsible for 27.8% of the country's homicides.

Source p. 82 in the link below.

Since whites tend to kill whites and blacks tend to kill blacks, attempts by the police to catch killers and bring them to justice will not only net black homicide offenders disproportionately, it will also protect the rest of the black population who are disproportionately victimized by these people. Attempts by social justice warriors to prevent the police from pursuing black offenders will only result in more black victims. Among young black males, by far the leading cause of death is other young black males (not evil white police).

If black lives truly do matter, then this needs to be addressed and not swept under the rug for fear of being called "racist". In my opinion, the proximate cause isn't the police, but rather the breakdown and collapse of the black family, along with a hugely disfunctional youth subculture that absolutely glorifies violence. Raised in single parent homes with no male role models, too many young black males essentially raise themselves in sort of a Lord of the Flies environment.

https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/htius.pdf

I was unaware that half of the homicides committed in 2005 were committed by black people.
Sad news

 

[King Phenomenon]

Well I've learned a lot in this thread and realized that my initial statement is wrong. That's why I'm here to learn.