Muffled
Jesus in me
IMHO there is little or no folowing of Jesus in scientology but my experience with them is limited. All I encountered was psychobabble. I believe claims are not always valid.
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Did the True Church Apostasized?
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IMHO there is little or no folowing of Jesus in scientology but my experience with them is limited. All I encountered was psychobabble. I believe claims are not always valid.
sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
I admit that much of their stuff seems like far-fetched film-flam to me, but, again, the same thing could be said by anyone about any church. I'm simply not into standing in judgment of the sincerely-held religious beliefs of others. If a JW wants to call herself "Christian," AFAIC, it's the same claim as an Episcopalian calling himself "Christian." Where I have problems is when a JW claims that he's more legitimate than an Episcopalian. Or when an Episcopalian claims she's Orthodox.
e.r.m.
Church of Christ
They don't. I've spoken to them.
sincerly
Well-Known Member
Ex 14:13"And Moses said unto the people, Fear ye not, stand still, and see the salvation of the LORD, which he will shew to you to day: for the Egyptians whom ye have seen to day, ye shall see them again no more for ever.
Sojourner, Those words by Moses are still are still in the Hebrew and Jesus referred to Moses' writings in Luke(24:27,44-48.You can believe as you wish, but the Scriptures say differently.--including Jesus "Moses wrote concerning me"..
sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
Fine. Then they're not a Christian church and therefore not cogent to the thread.
sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
Moses is a literary character -- not a historical figure. The fact that Luke has Jesus say this notwithstanding.
sincerly
Well-Known Member
Muffled said: ↑
I believe it is misinterpetation to view midst as "in the spaces." Jesus is in us but He is everywhere else as well. I believe "midst" in this case refers to the dynamic way that God can interact with Himself when more than one person is involved. Like I could say there is peace among us. That is a dynamic between people based on the two or more people involved.
Right! Sin (disobedience)Destroyed that Relationship . The where are You? is still valid.
I believe it is misinterpetation to view midst as "in the spaces." Jesus is in us but He is everywhere else as well. I believe "midst" in this case refers to the dynamic way that God can interact with Himself when more than one person is involved. Like I could say there is peace among us. That is a dynamic between people based on the two or more people involved.
Right! Sin (disobedience)Destroyed that Relationship . The where are You? is still valid.
sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
Sin destroyed no relationship. Adam and ever weren't cut off from God. And Jesus came to overcome the power of sin and restore right relationship with God. So I don't know what you're talking about, but you're certainly not talking about Xy.
sincerly
Well-Known Member
Ex.30:-31-34, "
And it came to pass on the morrow, that Moses said unto the people, Ye have sinned a great sin: and now I will go up unto the LORD; peradventure I shall make an atonement for your sin.
And Moses returned unto the LORD, and said, Oh, this people have sinned a great sin, and have made them gods of gold.
Yet now, if thou wilt forgive their sin—; and if not, blot me, I pray thee, out of thy book which thou hast written.
And the LORD said unto Moses, Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out Therefore now go, lead the people unto the place of which I have spoken unto thee: behold, mine Angel shall go before thee: nevertheless in the day when I visit I will visit their sin upon them."
Adam and Eve had their sins Atoned for with/by that animal that provided their coats .
sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
Hmm... I don't see how this "proves" that we're cut off from God. And the whole "atoning animal" thing isn't part of the Genesis line of thinking.
How is this post germane to what I said in my previous post?
sincerly
Well-Known Member
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Sojourner, it is the " I don't see:" that is the problem. The "Atoning animal" is seen in vss. 3:15 and -3:22
Sojourner, it is the " I don't see:" that is the problem. The "Atoning animal" is seen in vss. 3:15 and -3:22
sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
It's your carelessness in actually executing the text that's the problem. This has nothing to do with atonement. It has to do with wisdom.
Haven't you ever heard of "bad blood," or a "toxic relationship?" There is always a relationship. In this case, a relationship of estrangement. Jesus reconciled humanity to God.
Muffled
Jesus in me
I believe there are different concepts of what a Christian is. I have had a Christian tell me that I was not one because I didn't believe in a three person Trinity. When you boil it down to what God was trying to accomplish the JW's fall into a category that I call Jews in Christian trappings.
e.r.m.
Church of Christ
Amazing that someone would accuse you of not being a Christian over a term that's not in the Bible.
Muffled
Jesus in me
I believe that isn't a strange thing in Christianity. The Roman Catholic Church viewed those who were not orthodox as heretics and therfore non-Christians. It is a little strange to see the same attitude these days though.