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Featured Did the Pharisees Purposely Make up Christianity?

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by wizanda, Sep 7, 2022.

  1. muhammad_isa

    muhammad_isa Well-Known Member

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    A good observation.
    We need to behave how Jesus told us to behave. It is not just about creed.
     
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  2. wizanda

    wizanda One Accepts All Religious Texts
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    Very well spotted; the problem stems from the Pharisaic ideas, where they believed we could pay God to atone for sin (reconnect with God).

    The Pharisees, and Rabbinic Rebels believe God is separate from us, and therefore we need to reconnect; which stems from their faulty understanding of the language in the Bible, where they think we directly connected to God (El - H410), when we were in connection with the Divine Council (Elohim - H430).

    Yeshua was teaching more Dharmic principles, that God could be found within, as it is the Source of our reality.

    Whereas Paul said it isn't about works; yet faith in the death & resurrection of Christ (Romans 11:6) - which is the definition of what is required to be a Christian.

    Yeshua was saying to repair the connection with God, we had to be merciful to gain mercy, we had to be kind, and unconditionally loving, to repent cleaning the inside of the cup, share what we have, giving up wealth, and always go the extra mile - basically practising to be angelic down near Hell, and then our works would shine within the darkness.

    In my opinion. :innocent:
     
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  3. Brian2

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    It is true that it is not just Christians who will be saved imo and that Jesus wants people to be co-workers of truth and co-workers of justice.
    Being a co-worker of truth however would include those who help proclaim the gospel which includes Jesus atoning death and resurrection.
    What does the gospel (good news) mean to you?
     
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    Estro Felino Believer in free will
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    The eu-aggelion (good news), or Gospel, is something extraordinary.
    It means that men can cooperate to create the kingdom of God on Earth.

    When Jesus says in John 14:12, we will perform greater miracles than He did.
    What does it mean? That men are not passive believers who receive the grace, even if they live their life aimlessly and selfishly. No...Christians are called to make Heaven on Earth, through justice.

    And the good news includes also Godly Justice, because the ones who are thirsty for justice, will be filled.
    The ones who prevented us from doing good, from helping every human being on Earth, will be judged on Doomsday.
    And that is justice Jesus speaks of.
     
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    Estro Felino Believer in free will
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    When Jesus saw the moneychangers at the gates of the Temple, he didn't tell them "Dearest...do carry on...carry on what you are doing...you will repent sooner or later...I love you guys".
    He did this:

     
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    That isn't being a co-worker of Christ, as Yeshua was against claiming the prophet's deaths counted as atonement (Matthew 23:27-38, Mark 7:1-13); that is a Pharisaic co-worker of Simon the stumbling stone (petros) & Pauline Christianity/Saul - where Saul is the same word for Hell in Hebrew.

    This is what the thread is about the Pharisees set up the Gentiles, and the Rabbinic Rebels should've known this from the language.

    The Gospel of Yeshua in the Synoptic Gospels did not tell people to go around preaching about his death; it was to go around doing good works, healing the sick with the Holy cannabis Anointing Oil, and teaching wisdom about spirituality - it was a living Gospel about the Messiah coming to earth, and bringing the Kingdom of God here.

    Teaching that Christ came to die, & be resurrected is anti-Christ's doctrine, as it is evangelizing the Covenant with Death in Isaiah 28's Bed of Adultery; where in Revelation 2:22 it states God will remove all the people following it in the Great Tribulation.

    In my opinion.
    :innocent:
     
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    wizanda One Accepts All Religious Texts
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    The book referenced by Muhammadans is the Gospel of Barnabus, as it repeatedly states Muhammad was a promised messenger.
    I mentioned the Hadith Science as something used to establish if a texts is by an author; I didn't say I knew it.

    The Q-Source I referenced as a flawed ideology, and have looked into the concept; where I even explained where I felt the idea came from.

    Your ideas of the Messiah as a pinnacle of scholarly perfection, not saying anything wrong, and acting like God incarnate, isn't how humans interact - I make mistakes, and admit when I don't know something, I've just read the Gospel of Barnabus, and so corrected that is the book Muhammadans often refer to.
    Please don't lie when we have the contexts in the thread; you joined in earlier than that question, and you asked that to try to put me on the spot of claiming I know Hadith Science - I do not know the details of Hadith Science, and have only heard it referenced by people justifying which Hadiths are legitimate.

    The thing was I wasn't making a claim using Hadith Science; I made a long post justifying what methodology I use, and then added that as a sub-clause at the end, as I thought you might be well acquainted with it, and so could justify comparatively, that it was using a logical method to assess which texts are valid.
    I believe the person identified as the Hebraic Messiah is prophesied in multiple religions globally, as a final warning before the end of humanity/age; thus I think it is highly important to everyone, regardless of what they believe.

    This thread is an attempt to see if we can do anything about what is causing it; with you making me feel it is a waste of time trying to appeal to humanity.

    In my opinion. :innocent:
     
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    We can prove it right now, please heal a friend dealing with late-stage cancer. You'll know who it is.

    THANK YOU!
     
  9. wizanda

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    That is easy: the Holy Anointing oil (Exodus 30:23-25) should be made with Cannabis (Kaneh-Bosem); not Calamus - which has been a mistranslation since the Bible became Greek, then Latin.
    • Since 1976 we've known THC will kill both tumours, and cancer cells in laboratory experiments.
    • In 2000 Madrid University cured brain tumours in rats with THC.
    • In 2007 Harvard had positive results with lung cancer using THC.
    • etc...
    When the holy anointing oil is made properly, the THC causes it to become a molecular compound; that can then heal many ailments.

    The Disciples in Mark 6:13 were using the Holy Anointing Oil to heal, and in James 5:14 the early Ebionite church were using it...

    This is where I believe James, and John-Mark were called Sons of Thunder (Boanerges), as they were Loud Spoken, and their evidence remains.

    Yet this is a start to health care: next would be to put people on a vegan diet; as we've known since 1931, that cancer can not live in an alkalised environment - Where Dr Otto Warburg got the Noble Prize for it.

    We've then known since 1952 that Laetrile which we find in apple pips, cherry, apricot, nectarines, peach kernels, soursop, etc, is a natural form of cyanide (vitamin B17) that will attack foreign cells to the body.

    Basically cancer is a type of biological fungus, that only grows in acidic environments; where these pips all contain a natural defence mechanism against rot, and when we ingest this, it will naturally prevent us getting cancer, as the blood then cleans its self.

    Please note overdosing on all these pips is possible, and so should be done gradually to what the body can handle, and if fighting cancer, it will make people need lots of rest, as the body's own defence mechanisms then need to fight it.

    I've remembered cannabis should be in the Holy Anointing Oil since 13 years old, and even spent a day skiving of school studying it in the county library; yet it wasn't until having the internet, that I then found proof for it.

    In my opinion. :innocent:
     
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    Irrelevant. No one mentioned it here so that's just some random irrelevant throw in of a red herring for what every reason. Probably to avoid that you didnt know about the Bible much though you claim to be the Messiah.

    You said its like the NT. So you have to at least substantiate one single simple thing I asked for. Or you could just say that you just made a random comment without thinking much. It's fine.

    I don't know if I would call that a methodology, but it's yours. So that's fine. Up to you Wizanda.

    Cheers.
     
  11. Brian2

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    Well yes we are to try to live the Kingdom morals and to love everyone but the Kingdom is set up fulls when Jesus returns.
    Some people seem to want to set help set the Kingdom up by getting political power and forcing Christian laws onto everyone. Sounds good, but then again, not so good.
    IMO Christians are to live in weakness without power, as Jesus did, and let the real victory be from above and in living our own lives as He wants us to.
     
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    I agree I don't know the Bible that well; I know the bits God told me well, and how prophecy surrounding the Great Deception functions before Judgement Day.
    You didn't specify which book of Barnabus you were referring to; so I've read both to be sure.
    I really don't think you speak English very well.
    I don't have to substantiate your question about Hadith Science; as I never said I did understand it...

    I simply stated using a method of discerning if a text is by an author, is similar to what is done in Hadith Science.

    In my opinion. :innocent:
     
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    Now that you said you didnt know the bible well, this I would accept Wizanda.

    When ever anyone refers to the Bible and Barnabas as a book the only reference is the epistle of Barnabas, not the Gospel of Barnabas. The Gospel of Barnabas has nothing to do with the Bible. It's a completely alien book with no providence. The Epistle of Barnabas is attached to the Bible. It's right there in the Codex Sinaiticus.

    Messiahs are not such cheap individuals who show that they are some kind of superior, English speaking, racist human beings who thinks other people can't speak English well because they are "different".

    So that's a sign not to every even dream about accepting someone like you as a Messiah. ;)

    And when you are ignorant about something, you do tend to make some cheap statements making some bogus reference like "Muhammedans refer to the Gospel of Barnabas". Then some cheap comment about English knowledge.

    If you don't understand it, don't make analogies with that as a simile.

    Have a blast.
     
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    Do you have any idea of how many millionaires and billionaires (who got rich at cost of the neighbor's poverty) go to Mass on every Sunday and think they will go straight to Heaven, just because of some nonsense about Jesus' atonement and grace by faith?

    Many. Almost all of them.

    But they are deceived. For it is written in James 5
    Now listen, you rich people, weep and wail because of the misery that is coming on you. 2 Your wealth has rotted, and moths have eaten your clothes. Your gold and silver are corroded. Their corrosion will testify against you and eat your flesh like fire. You have hoarded wealth in the last days. Look! The wages you failed to pay the workers who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord Almighty. You have lived on earth in luxury and self-indulgence. You have fattened yourselves in the day of slaughter. You have condemned and murdered the innocent one, who was not opposing you.


    So...I am sorry...I don't believe Jesus wants us to be weak and powerless.
    I will never condone, excuse or pander the Satanic crimes of certain financial elites.
    All these billionaire who are now in their nineties, who caused so much suffering and suicides, through speculation and financial crimes, will be tried by God Himself.
     
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    wizanda One Accepts All Religious Texts
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    The reason for saying it, is you've misunderstood what was being relayed to you multiple times.
    I've spent 18 years discussing religion online with everyone, and have met many Muhammadans who say about the book of Barnabas.

    Muhammadan is not an insult, it simply means someone who follows Muhammad; a Muslim implies someone like the Patriarchs (Abraham, Moses, Yeshua, etc).

    In my opinion. :innocent:
     
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    Not relevant.
     
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    You are right, they will be tried by God. Hypocrisy is something that God does not condone.
     
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    And the person needing the healing? Do you know their name?

    My God, Jesus Christ, names people of significance thousands of years before their birth.
     
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    wizanda One Accepts All Religious Texts
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    God is the Source of reality, not a being; where I've been shown by God I'm sent prior to the Great Tribulation...

    Thus no I don't know the person's name, and I'm shocked that having just explained how to cure cancer, that is your answer. :oops:

    It makes me see why Christ is prophesied to come back secretly before the Judgement Day Fire (Revelation 16:15-21, Luke 17:20-37, Matthew 25:1-13, etc), and that the Pharisees set all the Christians up, to be destroyed with them at Judgement Day.

    In my opinion. :innocent:
     
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    On top of that, it doesn't make sense if taken at the literal level but can make sense at the symbolic level.
     
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