Did Muhammad wish for his followers to believe in the Torah and Gospel?

[Dawnofhope]

In the Holy Quran it is written that Muhammad (PBUH) said:

“If they (Jews and Christians) had observed the Torah and the Gospel and that which was revealed unto them from their Lord, they would have enjoyed happiness from every side. Among them there are people on the right course but many of them are of evil conduct.”
(Quran 5:66)

Further;

Say, "O People of the Scripture, you are [standing] on nothing until you uphold [the law of] the Torah, the Gospel, and what has been revealed to you from your Lord." And that which has been revealed to you from your Lord will surely increase many of them in transgression and disbelief. So do not grieve over the disbelieving people.
(Quran 5:68)

It would appear Muslims are commanded in the Quran 4:136, to believe in the books God revealed to the Jews and the Christians.

O you who have believed, believe in Allah and His Messenger and the Book that He sent down upon His Messenger and the Scripture which He sent down before. And whoever disbelieves in Allah, His angels, His books, His messengers, and the Last Day has certainly gone far astray.

Yet most Muslims believe the Torah and Gospel the Jews and Christians hold in their possession to be corrupted and not the Torah and Gospel Muhammad spoke of.

Is the Gospel and Torah the Christians and Jews possessed in the time of Muhammad so different from today that it could be considered corrupted? If the Gospel and Torah was corrupted in Muhammad’s day, why is this never mentioned in the Quran?

 

[TransmutingSoul]

I see that they both remain sure and reliable guidance.

Regards Tony

 

[wizanda]

It would appear Muslims are commanded in

2:4 And who believe in that which has been revealed to you and that which was revealed before you and they are sure of the hereafter.

2:285 The Messenger has believed in what was revealed to him from his Lord, and [so have] the believers. All of them have believed in Allah and His angels and His books and His messengers, [saying], "We make no distinction between any of His messengers." And they say, "We hear and we obey. [We seek] Your forgiveness, our Lord, and to You is the [final] destination."

3:84 Say: We believe in Allah and what has been revealed to us, and what was revealed to Ibrahim and Ismail and Ishaq and Yaqoub and the tribes, and what was given to Musa and Isa and to the prophets from their Lord; we do not make any distinction between any of them, and to Him do we submit.

2:136 Say, [O believers], "We have believed in Allah and what has been revealed to us and what has been revealed to Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and the Descendants and what was given to Moses and Jesus and what was given to the prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and we are Muslims [in submission] to Him."

4:150-151 Indeed, those who disbelieve in Allah and His messengers and wish to discriminate between Allah and His messengers and say, "We believe in some and disbelieve in others," and wish to adopt a way in between - Those are the disbelievers, truly. And We have prepared for the disbelievers a humiliating punishment.

4:136 O you who have believed, believe in Allah and His Messenger and the Book that He sent down upon His Messenger and the Scripture which He sent down before. And whoever disbelieves in Allah , His angels, His books, His messengers, and the Last Day has certainly gone far astray.

2:53 And when We gave Musa the Book and the criterion that you might walk aright.

2:78 And among them are unlettered ones who do not know the Scripture except in wishful thinking, but they are only assuming.

2:98 Whoever is an enemy to Allah and His angels and His messengers and Gabriel and Michael - then indeed, Allah is an enemy to the disbelievers.

In my opinion.

 

[firedragon]

In the Holy Quran it is written that Muhammad (PBUH) said:

“If they (Jews and Christians) had observed the Torah and the Gospel and that which was revealed unto them from their Lord, they would have enjoyed happiness from every side. Among them there are people on the right course but many of them are of evil conduct.”
(Quran 5:66)

Further;

Say, "O People of the Scripture, you are [standing] on nothing until you uphold [the law of] the Torah, the Gospel, and what has been revealed to you from your Lord." And that which has been revealed to you from your Lord will surely increase many of them in transgression and disbelief. So do not grieve over the disbelieving people.
(Quran 5:68)

It would appear Muslims are commanded in the Quran 4:136, to believe in the books God revealed to the Jews and the Christians.

O you who have believed, believe in Allah and His Messenger and the Book that He sent down upon His Messenger and the Scripture which He sent down before. And whoever disbelieves in Allah, His angels, His books, His messengers, and the Last Day has certainly gone far astray.

Yet most Muslims believe the Torah and Gospel the Jews and Christians hold in their possession to be corrupted and not the Torah and Gospel Muhammad spoke of.

Is the Gospel and Torah the Christians and Jews possessed in the time of Muhammad so different from today that it could be considered corrupted? If the Gospel and Torah was corrupted in Muhammad’s day, why is this never mentioned in the Quran?

I'm curious.

1. The Quran mentions the Zaboor. Did you miss it or are you not interested in mentioning it?
2. You keep repeating "Yet most Muslims believe the Torah and Gospel the Jews and Christians hold in their possession to be corrupted...". Yes, i intentionally took only this part to ask you a specific question. Are you interested in what Muslims think or what the Qur'an teaches?

I will maybe respond to your questions in this but i would like to know these two if you dont mind.

 

[Godobeyer]

Yet most Muslims believe the Torah and Gospel the Jews and Christians hold in their possession to be corrupted and not the Torah and Gospel Muhammad spoke of.

Is the Gospel and Torah the Christians and Jews possessed in the time of Muhammad so different from today that it could be considered corrupted? If the Gospel and Torah was corrupted in Muhammad’s day, why is this never mentioned in the Quran?

Salam
Some laws in Islam match with Christainity and Judaism.that's what verses in commun meaning.

Indeed it's that the Jews and Christians in past corrupted Torah and Gospel .
There are verses in Quran mean that

 

[Dawnofhope]

1. The Quran mentions the Zaboor. Did you miss it or are you not interested in mentioning it?

David comes under the shadow of Moses as the Apostles were under the shadow of Jesus. The significance and distinction of the Zabur in the Quran compared to the Gospel and Torah is intriguing.

When the Quran mentions the revelations given to the people of the book, the Jews and the Christians, (3:3 and 3:65) it only refers to the Tawrat and the Injeel but not to the Zabur.

He has sent down upon you, [O Muhammad], the Book in truth, confirming what was before it. And He revealed the Torah and the Gospel.

O People of the Scripture, why do you argue about Abraham while the Torah and the Gospel were not revealed until after him? Then will you not reason?

Zabur was also revealed by God to David;

Indeed, We have revealed to you, [O Muhammad], as We revealed to Noah and the prophets after him. And we revealed to Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, the Descendants, Jesus, Job, Jonah, Aaron, and Solomon, and to David We gave the book [of Psalms]. (Quran 4:163)

This verse indicates that it was included in the Tawrat.

In the Quran 2:136 we read:

Say (O Muslims): We believe in God and that which is revealed unto us and that which was revealed unto Abraham, and Ishmael, and Isaac, and Jacob, and the tribes, and that which Moses and Jesus received, and that which the Prophets received from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and unto Him we have surrendered.

2. You keep repeating "Yet most Muslims believe the Torah and Gospel the Jews and Christians hold in their possession to be corrupted...". Yes, i intentionally took only this part to ask you a specific question. Are you interested in what Muslims think or what the Qur'an teaches?

I’m interested in both what the Quran teaches and what Muslims believe.

I will maybe respond to your questions in this but i would like to know these two if you dont mind.

You are welcome to contribute to this thread as you please. We are in the religious debates section. It is always good to have contributions from our Muslim brothers.

 

[Dawnofhope]

Salam
Some laws in Islam match with Christainity and Judaism.that's what verses in commun meaning.

Indeed it's that the Jews and Christians in past corrupted Torah and Gospel .
There are verses in Quran mean that

How do you think the Jews and Christians corrupted their sacred writings?

 

[firedragon]

David comes under the shadow of Moses as the Apostles were under the shadow of Jesus. The significance and distinction of the Zabur in the Quran compared to the Gospel and Torah is intriguing.

When the Quran mentions the revelations given to the people of the book, the Jews and the Christians, (3:3 and 3:65) it only refers to the Tawrat and the Injeel but not to the Zabur.

He has sent down upon you, [O Muhammad], the Book in truth, confirming what was before it. And He revealed the Torah and the Gospel.

O People of the Scripture, why do you argue about Abraham while the Torah and the Gospel were not revealed until after him? Then will you not reason?

Zabur was also revealed by God to David;

Indeed, We have revealed to you, [O Muhammad], as We revealed to Noah and the prophets after him. And we revealed to Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, the Descendants, Jesus, Job, Jonah, Aaron, and Solomon, and to David We gave the book [of Psalms]. (Quran 4:163)

This verse indicates that it was included in the Tawrat.

In the Quran 2:136 we read:

Say (O Muslims): We believe in God and that which is revealed unto us and that which was revealed unto Abraham, and Ishmael, and Isaac, and Jacob, and the tribes, and that which Moses and Jesus received, and that which the Prophets received from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and unto Him we have surrendered.

1. Brother. You did not answer my question as to why you missed it. I didnt ask what the Zaboor is. We know that it was a revelation given to David. Hope you understand.

2. 3:3 does not speak about Jews and Christians. ""He sent down to you the book with truth, authenticating what is present with it; and He sent down the Torah and the Injeel."". This verse is talking about the Quran. And 3:65 does not say the Torah and thre Gospel were revealed to the Jews and the Christians. It is speaking about the ahlul kithab who dispute about Abraham though the Taurath and the Injeel were revealed after him. Completely irrelevant comment you made there.

I’m interested in both what the Quran teaches and what Muslims believe.

Ah. Thats alright. But in that case you should make the distinction because you have only spoken about what Muslims say, not what the Quran says.

 

[firedragon]

In the Holy Quran it is written that Muhammad (PBUH) said:

“If they (Jews and Christians) had observed the Torah and the Gospel and that which was revealed unto them from their Lord, they would have enjoyed happiness from every side. Among them there are people on the right course but many of them are of evil conduct.”
(Quran 5:66)

Further;

Say, "O People of the Scripture, you are [standing] on nothing until you uphold [the law of] the Torah, the Gospel, and what has been revealed to you from your Lord." And that which has been revealed to you from your Lord will surely increase many of them in transgression and disbelief. So do not grieve over the disbelieving people.
(Quran 5:68)

It would appear Muslims are commanded in the Quran 4:136, to believe in the books God revealed to the Jews and the Christians.

O you who have believed, believe in Allah and His Messenger and the Book that He sent down upon His Messenger and the Scripture which He sent down before. And whoever disbelieves in Allah, His angels, His books, His messengers, and the Last Day has certainly gone far astray.

Yet most Muslims believe the Torah and Gospel the Jews and Christians hold in their possession to be corrupted and not the Torah and Gospel Muhammad spoke of.

Is the Gospel and Torah the Christians and Jews possessed in the time of Muhammad so different from today that it could be considered corrupted? If the Gospel and Torah was corrupted in Muhammad’s day, why is this never mentioned in the Quran?

Quran speaks of many scriptures. It speaks of Taurat which means "Law". You assume this is directly referring to the Pentateuch because the Jews at some point called it the Torah or rather "Named it" the Torah or again, "Law". Its a perfectly understandable position but that's not the Islamic view. It is definitely not the Quranic view.

You have picked two names, Taurat and Injeel because you wish to associate them with two volumes in the Bible. But you have missed others mentioned in the Quran in this question. Quran mentions Zaboor. You did not take it into account because there is no book in the Bible which sounds like Zaboor.

Also, you have not taken the Suhuf of Abraham and Moses. Its mentioned in the Quran. Do you assume its the Torah? But in that case you yourself quoted 3:65 which says the Taurat was revealed after Abraham, which means Abraham and Moses both knew a scripture. What is it? And why was that not taken into account?

How about this verse?

3:84 Say, "We acknowledge God and what was sent down to us and what was sent down to Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, the Patriarchs, and what was given to Moses, Jesus, and the prophets from their Lord. We do not discriminate between them, and to Him, we Submit."

So what was sent down to Abraham, Ismael, Isac, Jacob, and the patriarch? Have you pondered?

Yes. Of course Muslims are "Commanded" believe in books revealed earlier, but that does not say "revealed to Jews and the Christians". That is a reading you have super imposed upon the Quranic verses. It is your own work, not the Quran.

4:136 O you who believe; believe in God and His messenger, and the Book which was sent down to His messenger, and the Book which was sent before. And whoever rejects God, and His angels, and His Books, and His messengers, and the Last Day; then he has strayed a far straying.

You have directly misquoted that verse.

Nevertheless, you have asked about the corruption of the Quran and you were clear later that you worry about what the Quran says and what Muslims say.

Well, what Muslims say is a problematic thing because there are billions in the world and you don't have a dimes clue what Muslims are saying. YOu only know what you see on the internet here and there. Islamic scholarship does not say what you say.

2:79 So woe to those who write the Book with their hands then say: “This is from God,” so that they can purchase with it a cheap price! Woe to them for what their hands have written and woe to them for what they gained.

Read that verse. It is clear the Quran says that people wrote some books with their own hands and claimed: "This is from God". This is the Islamic position. This is what the Quran says.

Of course, it is not relevant to those who don't believe the Quran has anything to do with God, or that Muhammed is an imposter who pretended to be a prophet of God. In that case, of course you would believe that he is speaking about the existing book you have called Torah and another book you have called the Injeel.

But if you believe Muhammed got message from God, or if Muhammed is God himself, or that the Quran is some divine revelation, then you have to trust what the Quran says. It does not say anywhere that the Torah was written down and it exists in book form, but instead, it says "Believe it was given". So was scripture given to Abraham. To David. To Jesus. To Isac. Etc.

You asked, "why is this never mentioned in the Quran". But it does tell directly and clearly, that people write books and claim that it is from God.

2:79 So woe to those who write the Book with their hands then say: “This is from God,” so that they can purchase with it a cheap price! Woe to them for what their hands have written and woe to them for what they gained.

Peace.

 

[Godobeyer]

How do you think the Jews and Christians corrupted their sacred writings?

By editing it. to please their desire.
btw the verses you post.adressing to Jews and Christians NOT Muslims

 

[InvestigateTruth]

2. 3:3 does not speak about Jews and Christians. ""He sent down to you the book with truth, authenticating what is present with it; and He sent down the Torah and the Injeel."". This verse is talking about the Quran. And 3:65 does not say the Torah and thre Gospel were revealed to the Jews and the Christian's.. .

Say, "O People of the Scripture, you are [standing] on nothing until you uphold [the law of] the Torah, the Gospel, and what has been revealed to you from your Lord." And that which has been revealed to you from your Lord will surely increase many of them in transgression and disbelief. So do not grieve over the disbelieving people.
(Quran 5:68)

This verse says Scritptures were revealed to you. Who 'you' is, it it is not Christian's and Jews? It is including Torah and Iniil and Quran in one verse, and says, they have been revealed to you.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

I'm curious.

1. The Quran mentions the Zaboor. Did you miss it or are you not interested in mentioning it?
.

There are two Books. Pslam (Almazaameer (المزامیر)) and Zaboor. These are two different Books. Pslam is not just another name for Zaboor. There were two different prophets with the name David. One of them is King David who is mentioned in Bible, whose book was Pslam. The other is another David who dates even before Moses, whose Book was Zaboor, who is not mentioned in Bible, but Quran refers to Him.
Don't mix them up, just because everyone else got it all wrong.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

2:79 So woe to those who write the Book with their hands then say: “This is from God,” so that they can purchase with it a cheap price! Woe to them for what their hands have written and woe to them for what they gained.

Peace.

First of all, the Capital letter B, is false here. This verse is not talking about Holy Books, which is Injil or Torat. You are assuming that only. According to this verse, some Jews who lived 1400 years ago, at the time of Muhammad, had written some books, and had said this is from Allah. Those books do not even exist today. Don't mix with Injil and Torat that were written long before Muhammad, which still exist today.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

Quran speaks of many scriptures. It speaks of Taurat which means "Law". You assume this is directly referring to the Pentateuch because the Jews at some point called it the Torah or rather "Named it" the Torah or again, "Law". Its a perfectly understandable position but that's not the Islamic view. It is definitely not the Quranic view.

2:285 The Messenger has believed in what was revealed to him from his Lord, and [so have] the believers. All of them have believed in Allah and His angels and His books and His messengers, [saying], "We make no distinction between any of His messengers." And they say, "We hear and we obey. [We seek] Your forgiveness, our Lord, and to You is the [final] destination."

When the term "Books" is used, it means, it was actually written. It was not only a revelation which was only received in the mind of a Prophet.
So, Quran refers to Injil and Torat as books, meaning they were actually written properly. Who wrote those Books? And what happened to them? If you say, the Books today substantially changed from their origin, Details with evidences please to support. Don't just make your claim based on conjecture. Who and when and why they corrupted them. Does Quran or Hadith give any details?

 

[Dawnofhope]

Quran speaks of many scriptures. It speaks of Taurat which means "Law". You assume this is directly referring to the Pentateuch because the Jews at some point called it the Torah or rather "Named it" the Torah or again, "Law". Its a perfectly understandable position but that's not the Islamic view. It is definitely not the Quranic view.

The Torah is clearly associated with Moses in the Quran. There was only one Torah known during Muhammad’s life so it makes perfect sense to attribute the Torah in the Quran to the Torah that was so well known in the seventh century.

You have picked two names, Taurat and Injeel because you wish to associate them with two volumes in the Bible. But you have missed others mentioned in the Quran in this question. Quran mentions Zaboor. You did not take it into account because there is no book in the Bible which sounds like Zaboor.

The emphasis is with history and the Quran. The Torah is the foundation of Judaism as it was in the seventh century. The Gospel is the foundation of Christianity as it was in the seventh century. The Torah and the Gospel are mentioned on numerous occasions and are clearly associated with Moses and Jesus respectively. Both Moses and Jesus are emphasised in the Quran. The Zabur if it can be definitively associated with Psalms and King David is not emphasised to the same degree either in the Quran nor history. What Zabur sounds like is much less important than what the word means, that is book, inscription or writing.

Also, you have not taken the Suhuf of Abraham and Moses. Its mentioned in the Quran. Do you assume its the Torah? But in that case you yourself quoted 3:65 which says the Taurat was revealed after Abraham, which means Abraham and Moses both knew a scripture. What is it? And why was that not taken into account?

Its off topic, don’t you think? I don’t understand how you can conclude Abraham knew of the Torah if it was revealed after Abraham? The Suruf was a book that was revealed to Abraham that is now lost.

How about this verse?

3:84 Say, "We acknowledge God and what was sent down to us and what was sent down to Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, the Patriarchs, and what was given to Moses, Jesus, and the prophets from their Lord. We do not discriminate between them, and to Him, we Submit."

So what was sent down to Abraham, Ismael, Isac, Jacob, and the patriarch? Have you pondered?

Yes I have pondered. The Torah revealed to Moses is the earliest Revelation we have from the Abrahamic line of Prophets. The Revelation given to earlier Prophets and Messengers is lost. However we should not discriminate between the Revelations we do have whether from Nabi or Rasool. Whether from Moses, Jesus or Muhammad, we should not discriminate. Revelation is revelation.

Yes. Of course Muslims are "Commanded" believe in books revealed earlier, but that does not say "revealed to Jews and the Christians". That is a reading you have super imposed upon the Quranic verses. It is your own work, not the Quran.

4:136 O you who believe; believe in God and His messenger, and the Book which was sent down to His messenger, and the Book which was sent before. And whoever rejects God, and His angels, and His Books, and His messengers, and the Last Day; then he has strayed a far straying.

You have directly misquoted that verse.

Nevertheless, you have asked about the corruption of the Quran and you were clear later that you worry about what the Quran says and what Muslims say.

I haven’t misquoted any Quranic verse. What you mean is I understand the Quran differently from you.

Well, what Muslims say is a problematic thing because there are billions in the world and you don't have a dimes clue what Muslims are saying. YOu only know what you see on the internet here and there. Islamic scholarship does not say what you say.

2:79 So woe to those who write the Book with their hands then say: “This is from God,” so that they can purchase with it a cheap price! Woe to them for what their hands have written and woe to them for what they gained.

Read that verse. It is clear the Quran says that people wrote some books with their own hands and claimed: "This is from God". This is the Islamic position. This is what the Quran says.

That verse could apply just as much to you as it does to me. It is for God alone to judge another soul. I believe in a narrative that makes the most sense. Its like Christ being crucified. Muslims make it more complicated than it actually is and overlook the obvious.

Of course, it is not relevant to those who don't believe the Quran has anything to do with God, or that Muhammed is an imposter who pretended to be a prophet of God. In that case, of course you would believe that he is speaking about the existing book you have called Torah and another book you have called the Injeel.

That’s not an argument, just disparaging another’s beliefs. There’s a clear line between respect and disrespect. You can do better than that.

But if you believe Muhammed got message from God, or if Muhammed is God himself, or that the Quran is some divine revelation, then you have to trust what the Quran says. It does not say anywhere that the Torah was written down and it exists in book form, but instead, it says "Believe it was given". So was scripture given to Abraham. To David. To Jesus. To Isac. Etc.

Seriously @firedragon of course one can believe in Muhammad and the Quran and that the Quran refers to the actual Torah and Gospel, not some imaginary Torah and Gospel that never existed.

You asked, "why is this never mentioned in the Quran". But it does tell directly and clearly, that people write books and claim that it is from God.

2:79 So woe to those who write the Book with their hands then say: “This is from God,” so that they can purchase with it a cheap price! Woe to them for what their hands have written and woe to them for what they gained.

Peace.

Those people are called false prophets. Neither Jesus nor Moses were false prophets.

 

[Dawnofhope]

By editing it. to please their desire.
btw the verses you post.adressing to Jews and Christians NOT Muslims

So why would Christians and Jews corrupt their own sacred scriptures? Is there some perversity adherents of these religions have that Muslims are immune to?

 

[Dawnofhope]

There are two Books. Pslam (Almazaameer (المزامیر)) and Zaboor. These are two different Books. Pslam is not just another name for Zaboor. There were two different prophets with the name David. One of them is King David who is mentioned in Bible, whose book was Pslam. The other is another David who dates even before Moses, whose Book was Zaboor, who is not mentioned in Bible, but Quran refers to Him.
Don't mix them up, just because everyone else got it all wrong.

Interesting theory. Do you have any proofs?

 

[firedragon]

The Torah is clearly associated with Moses in the Quran. There was only one Torah known during Muhammad’s life so it makes perfect sense to attribute the Torah in the Quran to the Torah that was so well known in the seventh century.

Which verse?

The emphasis is with history and the Quran. The Torah is the foundation of Judaism as it was in the seventh century.

Thus you mean Muhammed is no messenger of God and did not have any divine inspiration whatsoever but used existing theologies and scriptures as it is! Thats your point? Okay. I understand.

The Torah and the Gospel are mentioned on numerous occasions and are clearly associated with Moses and Jesus respectively. Both Moses and Jesus are emphasised in the Quran. The Zabur if it can be definitively associated with Psalms and King David is not emphasised to the same degree either in the Quran nor history. What Zabur sounds like is much less important than what the word means, that is book, inscription or writing.

You are using a very vague statement "Emphasised". Be specific and quote the verse you are speaking of.

And Zaboor does not mean book. This idea is from taking a similar word in the hebrew language. But nevertheless, thats fine.

Yet, you dont mention it because there is no book in the Bible that sounds like it. And if you want to now associate it with a meaning like book, there no book in the Bible that is called "The book" unless you are referring to the whole Bible which is called the book. If that is the case say it clearly.

You missed this "Book" anyway and that is because you cannot associate it directly to any book in the Bible.

I haven’t misquoted any Quranic verse. What you mean is I understand the Quran differently from you.

No. You misquoted it. You said things that are not in that verse, which means it is "Misquoting". If you understand it differently, that is an interpretation of a word. Not adding things that are not there.

That’s not an argument, just disparaging another’s beliefs. There’s a clear line between respect and disrespect. You can do better than that.

Nope. I telling a fact. Maybe you should read with respect to what is said, and you may understand clearly.

Seriously @firedragon of course one can believe in Muhammad and the Quran and that the Quran refers to the actual Torah and Gospel, not some imaginary Torah and Gospel that never existed.

One can.

But one can also believe that Muhammed was told by God in the Quran that people wrote books with their own hands and called them "Gods word". You don't believe that. Which means you don't believe the Quran is a revelation. So it's fine not to believe that, but be clear about it.

Those people are called false prophets. Neither Jesus nor Moses were false prophets.

Read this simple sentence again and you will see that i am not saying anyone was a false prophet, nor did i say anything was written by false prophets.

You asked, "why is this never mentioned in the Quran". But it does tell directly and clearly, that people write books and claim that it is from God.

2:79 So woe to those who write the Book with their hands then say: “This is from God,” so that they can purchase with it a cheap price! Woe to them for what their hands have written and woe to them for what they gained.

Peace.

 

[firedragon]

When the term "Books" is used, it means, it was actually written. I

No it does not. Lets say you should read something like thariq al thahzibah. Maybe you would get a better understanding.

 

[firedragon]

First of all, the Capital letter B, is false here. This verse is not talking about Holy Books, which is Injil or Torat. You are assuming that only. According to this verse, some Jews who lived 1400 years ago, at the time of Muhammad, had written some books, and had said this is from Allah. Those books do not even exist today. Don't mix with Injil and Torat that were written long before Muhammad, which still exist today.

Nope. I am not making any assumptions that this verse is speaking about some people who lived in the 7th century.

This is a generic verse. It may refer to history since creation, and may last till the end of whatever time means to us.