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Featured Did Moses break the tablets with God's law on them?

Discussion in 'Scriptural Debates' started by Remté, Feb 9, 2019.

  1. shunyadragon

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    Islam claims to be one and only universal revelation from God for all humanity, and there will be no more revelation from God in the future.

    Basically the same claim as Christianity, and Judaism though in Judaism for Jews only with limited conversion to become part of the tribe..
     
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  2. Remté

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    So your problem is that it claims Islam is the right religion.
     
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    The only right religion now and in the future.
     
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    I'd say it's premature to muse about what Moses did or didn't do before it's established that he even existed at all.
     
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    Especially not when they story is replete with enough magic that explaining something else away with magic wouldn't be inconsistent at all.
     
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    And yet we had a loose tribal confederation full with foreign worship for a damn long time after Moses.
    And this foreign worship continued well into the time of Kings.


    But if it doesn't fit the narrative it is best to be ignored.
     
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    your logic skills need a bit of work.
     
  8. Rival

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    No, this is your logic. And yes, you're right.
     
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    Three times it you include Ex 34. But only one of the three is called the "Ten Commandments" in the text itself.
     
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    Wrong again.
     
  11. Subduction Zone

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    Then according to Ex 34 Moses screwed up when he ad libbed in anger.
     
  12. Rival

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    So explain yourself. How isn't Tumah adequate to explain the Biblical Hebrew when he's been studying it most of his life, still does and can read and explain it to anyone who asks? Are you aware of the lifestyle he lives with regard to his religion?
     
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    Muslims have a slightly different version than either Jews or Christians have.
     
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    I dont know exactly how, but, sure, thats not an extrordinary thing to do.
     
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    That is only his claim. He cannot support it. He in all likelihood has a very biased approach to the book. Guess what? Do do I. The to that neither of us is an authority. It is best to use a neutral interpretation that we can both agree upon. If you recall asked him which interpretation he preferred. I did not demand that the version I chose was the only correct one.
     
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    There is no such thing as a neutral interpretation.
     
  17. Subduction Zone

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    You appear to have trouble following the conversation. That is why I asked him what his preferred translation was. Did you not see that I did not claim to have used the door "correct" translation?
     
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    Even if "magic" is used to explain how the paranormal events of the Jewish Exodus story could have actually took place, it still appears there was no mass exodus of Jews out of Egypt to the Jewish promise land.; hence, even in the presence of miracles, it appears the tale of the Jewish Exodus is mythological rather than historical.

    As I'd mentioned in post #60, .

    "The alleged biblical plagues infesting Egypt would have totally devastated Egypt, yet this devastion of Egypt is never mentioned anywhere outside of the Bible. An Egypt weakened by plagues, death of its firstborn sons, and drowning of its army would have been noticed by its neighbors and such a devastated Egypt likely would have been taken advantage of by one of its neighboring rivals, yet none of that ever happened. Egypt's rivals certainly wouldn't have had an incentive to cover up such disasters to Egypt of biblical proportions.

    The consensus of modern scholars is that the Bible does not give an accurate account of the origins of Israel.

    Reference: Davies, Philip R. (2015). In Search of 'Ancient Israel': A Study in Biblical Origins. Bloomsbury Publishing. ISBN 9780567662996.

    There is no indication that the Israelites ever lived in Ancient Egypt, and the Sinai Peninsula shows almost no sign of any occupation for the entire 2nd millennium BCE (even Kadesh-Barnea, where the Israelites are said to have spent 38 years, was uninhabited prior to the establishment of the Israelite monarchy).

    Reference: Redmount, Carol A. (2001) [1998]. "Bitter Lives: Israel In And Out of Egypt". In Coogan, Michael D. The Oxford History of the Biblical World. OUP.ISBN 9780199881482.

    In contrast to the absence of evidence for the Egyptian captivity and wilderness wanderings, there are ample signs of Israel's evolution within Canaan from native Canaanite roots.

    Reference: Barmash, Pamela (2015b). "Out of the Mists of History: The Exaltation of the Exodus in the Bible". In Barmash, Pamela; Nelson, W. David. Exodus in the Jewish Experience: Echoes and Reverberations. Lexington Books. pp. 1–22.ISBN 9781498502931.

    While a few scholars discuss the historicity, or at least plausibility, of the Exodus story, the majority of archaeologists have abandoned it, in the phrase used by archaeologist William Dever, as "a fruitless pursuit.

    References: Moore, Megan Bishop; Kelle, Brad E. (2011). Biblical History and Israel's Past. Eerdmans. ISBN 9780802862600. Dever, William (2001). What Did the Biblical Writers Know, and When Did They Know It?. Eerdmans. ISBN 3927120375.

    So then, we here should all agree that the tale of the Jewish Exodus from Egypt and subsequent events of Jews wandering around lost in the desert until reaching their promise land never actually happened . .. Right?

     
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    actually the best explanation is as usual not "magic" but rather "fiction".
     
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    Overall yes, but if we're granting everything as given that we would need to to get to the point where Moses is walking down Mount Sinai carrying tablets carved by God's own hand, then we've granted enough that the weight of the tablets doesn't suggest a fatal flaw for the story.
     
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