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Did Jesus find Jews to be Superior to gentiles?

Discussion in 'Scriptural Debates' started by PopeADope, Sep 25, 2017.

  1. PopeADope

    PopeADope Habemus papam

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    Matt 15
    22A Canaanite woman from that vicinity came to him, crying out, “Lord, Son of David, have mercy on me! My daughter is demon-possessed and suffering terribly.”

    23Jesus did not answer a word. So his disciples came to him and urged him, “Send her away, for she keeps crying out after us.”

    24He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.”


    25The woman came and knelt before him. “Lord, help me!” she said.

    26He replied, “It is not right to take the children’s bread and toss it to the dogs.”

    27“Yes it is, Lord,” she said. “Even the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from their master’s table.”

    28Then Jesus said to her, “Woman, you have great faith! Your request is granted.”

    So, Jesus chose 12 Jews as Apostles and referred to gentiles as dogs... doesn't that sound a bit prejudiced to you? Jews are special! Let's face it, us gentiles are inferior in God's eyes! :)
     
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  2. Aiviu

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    She showed belief which were feed from the crumbs.
    She understood his metaphor.


    She wasnt hurt from his insult.
    And you say that she was?
     
  3. PopeADope

    PopeADope Habemus papam

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    No, she wasn't hurt...I'm just saying Jesus really exalted Jews with his words and decisions at times...I'm cool with Jews having first place!
     
  4. wizanda

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    In my opinion there is also this one, where he said the Gentiles don't understand what has been put before them, thus shall destroy the Jews.

    Matthew 7:6 "Don't give that which is holy to the dogs, neither throw your pearls before the pigs, lest perhaps they trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces.

    In my opinion based on the text the Jews have been cut off from any inheritance unless they accept the Marvelous Work of the Lord:

    Matthew 8:5-13 When he came into Capernaum, a centurion came to him, asking him, (6) and saying, “Lord, my servant lies in the house paralyzed, grievously tormented.” (7) Jesus said to him, “I will come and heal him.” (8) The centurion answered, “Lord, I’m not worthy for you to come under my roof. Just say the word, and my servant will be healed. (9) For I am also a man under authority, having under myself soldiers. I tell this one, ‘Go,’ and he goes; and tell another, ‘Come,’ and he comes; and tell my servant, ‘Do this,’ and he does it.” (10) When Jesus heard it, he marveled, and said to those who followed, “Most certainly I tell you, I haven’t found so great a faith, not even in Israel. (11) I tell you that many will come from the east and the west, and will sit down with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob in the Kingdom of Heaven, (12) but the children of the Kingdom will be thrown out into the outer darkness. There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.” (13) Jesus said to the centurion, “Go your way. Let it be done for you as you have believed.” His servant was healed in that hour.


    Thus in my opinion based upon all the texts, the Jews are no longer a chosen people (Isaiah 43:28, Isaiah 65:15), and only those selected out of the Tribes of Israel globally, will be brought through into the Messianic age (Revelation 7:4-8).

    In my opinion this is a common perception by Rabbinic Jews, as the Talmud calls Gentiles less than human, and to be treated as animal slaves; so it is understandable this is the way some Jews think about the rest, here are some videos showing many religious types still believe this.




    Thus if we question Yeshua's opinion, he states that Gentiles are dogs; yet then goes on to say the Jews are cut off and divorced, and the Gentiles who've accepted his teachings will inherit the kingdom. :innocent:
     
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    Why you find it insulting then when he compare gentiles as dogs. Dogs were known for straying around.
     
  6. PopeADope

    PopeADope Habemus papam

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    I don't find it insulting...it makes me simply hold Jews in high esteem... Jesus chose 12 Jews as apostles...Jews gave us the Bible...Paul, a Jew wrote the Epistles...God always kept the Jews separate...he has a special covenant with them.
     
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    ok, guess i got you then. :) But I think it wasnt meant to the Jews directly. Its about their belief in God which he had hold in high esteem. Right?
     
  8. PopeADope

    PopeADope Habemus papam

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    Yes...but he said he came for the lost sheep of Israel and said those were his children and gentiles are dogs...that sounds quite prejudice... that doesn't mean I'm insulted, I just find Jesus to be prejudice...that doesn't mean it's wrong :)
     
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  9. Deeje

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    Yes it was a Phoenician (Gentile) woman who asked Jesus to heal her daughter. But it is true that Jesus was sent exclusively to "the lost sheep of the house of Israel" because they were the ones to whom the promise was made by God to Abraham centuries before. (Genesis 22:17-18) And true to his promise, God offered salvation to them first as members of spiritual Israel...the kings and priests who would rule with Christ in heaven. (Luke 22:28-30)

    His priority at that time was to help the common people to accept him as Messiah. He was not sent to the Jewish religious leaders, but to the ones whom they treated as unworthy of their time. They were "lost" because their shepherds had neglected them.

    He did not called Gentiles "dogs" as some assume, but he used a word that meant "puppies". So he illustrated the point, saying to the woman: “It is not right to take the bread of the children and throw it to the little dogs.” [Greek kynarion] (Matthew 15:21-26; Mark 7:26)

    Among the Greeks and Romans, the dog was often a beloved pet that lived in its owner’s house and played with the children. So the expression “little dogs” or "puppies" might have called to mind a warm, endearing picture rather than the harsh picture interpreted by some. The Greek woman picked up on Jesus’ words and replied: “Yes, Lord, but really the little dogs do eat of the crumbs falling from the table of their masters.” Jesus commended her faith and healed the woman’s daughter. (Matthew 15:27-28)

    Sometimes things are not translated well and give the wrong impression. :(
     
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    If Jesus is God or at least truly of God, he wouldn't be racist as God is not racist. Jews aren't any special or better than anyone else.
     
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    That's how everyone was obviously Jesus had to change a lot of minds.
     
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    So, people are fine with Jesus calling a female a dog, which in our language would be a "b---h." Oh, and he's omniscient, so the fact he was shocked a gentile would have faith (also shocked when the centurion did it too) proves he ... wait ...
     
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