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Featured Did Jesus die and rise from the dead?

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by whirlingmerc, Apr 21, 2019.

  1. lukethethird

    lukethethird Active Member

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    Can a billion believers be wrong yet again?
     
  2. JJ50

    JJ50 Well-Known Member

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    Undoubtedly
     
  3. Riders

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    Can a billion unbelievers be wrong again?
     
  4. paarsurrey

    paarsurrey Veteran Member

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    If one human could be wrong then some persons or many persons or a billion persons could be wrong also. Right, please?

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  5. samtonga43

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    You know, if Jesus is the second Person of the Trinity, I really don't think He needs advice from you about what He 'should have' done.
     
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  6. paarsurrey

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    My point is that Jesus was born a Jew and he dies as Jew, he never wanted any advice from Pagan-Christ-ianity, please. Did he, please?
    Since Jesus survived a cursed death on the Cross, so he secretly went out of Judea and out from Galilee towards the East where other 10 tribes lived as he had already hinted. He did not trust the people who later joined Saul of Tarsus aka Paul, so he went secretly. Right, please?

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  7. 12jtartar

    12jtartar Active Member
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    Thief,
    True, if!!!
     
  8. sojourner

    sojourner Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006

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    I’ve yet to see you present anything concerning the historical Jesus. You insist, instead on conflating the historical Jesus with the mythic Jesus. Perhaps it’s you who’s in the dark?
     
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  9. Riders

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    I have not seen a historical Jesus at all on this thread where is he? Josephus made one or 2 sentences about a man named Jesus who w was crucified and baptized by John, this is the only written record from back then that's not been found a scam about Jesus.But some say even that is shaky ground.

    I believe there was a guy named Jesus, prophet crucified, I don't see any evidence for resurrection .Why is there a need to be resurrected anyways? Its somewhat self centered.
     
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  10. paarsurrey

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    "Why is there a need to be resurrected anyways?"

    Because the whole religion of Pagan-Christ-ianity is based by Paul on this theme to make Jesus a god or son of god and savior of Pagan-Christ-ianity. Right, please?

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  11. Riders

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    Ok that makes sense. But it does not do much for me though, Christians trying to prove he was raised from the dead, eh.........
     
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  12. samtonga43

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    I am not trying to prove anything.

    But tell me, Riders, if the resurrection of Christ COULD be proved, would you accept the proof.

    And if it you did see proof, would it change you in any way?
     
  13. JJ50

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    If the resurrection of that chap could be proved beyond all shadow of doubt then one would have to accept it. However, that is never likely to happen.
     
  14. paarsurrey

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    "But it does not do much for me though, Christians trying to prove he was raised from the dead, eh........"

    I agree with you.
    They are just drowning and catching at a straw, a weird way of making a human being a god or son of god.

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  15. samtonga43

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    You are correct. This is not something which CAN be proved. So why do people keep asking for proof?
     
  16. Spartan

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    No, you just haven't done your homework.

    Recommended reading:

    "The Historical Jesus," by scholar Dr. Gary Habermas;

    The Historical Jesus of the Gospels, by Dr. Craig Keener

    "The Case for Christ," by Lee Strobel," and

    "The Case for the Resurrection of Jesus," by Dr. Gary Habermas.
     
  17. sojourner

    sojourner Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006

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    Remember when I said that Habermas wasn't reliable? Here's why: You recommend him and you're still conflating the two.
     
  18. Riders

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    Here is the proof he did not rise. Wiki has a literal name for Messiahs and Gods and Goddesses who were killed for their people and raised from the dead.Dying-and-rising deity - Wikipedia
     
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    There could have been graves for his family and desciples,There could have been written accounts of Jesus by historians of that time not only that but written accounts of his desciples going to preach the gospel.
     
  20. Spartan

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    Give me an example from his book, "The Historical Jesus"? Cite the page if you can.
     
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