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Featured Did Jesus die and rise from the dead?

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by whirlingmerc, Apr 21, 2019.

  1. Prince Mthembu

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    Tacitus (a.d. 55-120), the greatest early Roman historian, wrote that Christus (Greek for Christ) had lived during the reign of Tiberius and “suffered under Pontius Pilate, that Jesus’ teachings had already spread to Rome; and that Christians were considered criminals and tortured in a variety of ways, including crucifixion.”[18]



    Are you convincing yourself that the truth is a lie and Vice Versa? You can't argue with the facts about Jesus is especially if presented by His own foes.
     
  2. Nowhere Man

    Nowhere Man Bompu Zen Man with a little bit of Bushido.

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    The only existing facts are the acknowledgements made of early Christians and their beliefs. Otherwise you cant argue from silence as to whether Christ himself existed or not as an actual person from the archaeological record as it stands for the moment.
     
  3. sooda

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    mythic

    Also found in: Thesaurus, Legal, Wikipedia.
    myth·i·cal
    (mĭth′ĭ-kəl) also myth·ic (-ĭk)
    adj.
    1. Of or existing in myth: the mythical unicorn.
    2. Imaginary; fictitious.
    3. often mythic Of, relating to, or having the nature of a myth: a novel of profound, almost mythic consequence.
     
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  4. sooda

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  5. Prince Mthembu

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    That is a non-Christian source sir, and all those others too are non-Christian sources.
     
  6. IndigoChild5559

    IndigoChild5559 Loving God and my neighbor as myself.

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    You have one tale that includes nail prints, and hundreds of others who claim to have seen him who didn't remark on any nail prints. Apparently when Jesus appeared, he still had to give proofs that he was alive!!! (Acts 1:3) So you tell me which you are going to give more emphasis to, which verse is more likely to be legend, and which more likely to be history.
     
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    If one has read the book, then please give say five facts, the top most ones mentioned in it and evidence that they are proven facts, please.

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    We have physical proof of the crucifixions. We have a the dried out heal of one of the Messiahs of the Messiah movement still nailed to a piece of wood used in the crucifixion. We have historical accounts of many crucifixions.
     
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    Right which why so many historians do not believe in the Jesus resurrection either.
     
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    There are many other Gods and Godesses connected to Jesus, virgin birth and messiah dyeing for my sins being resurrected is an old tale from many others before him.
     
  12. Subduction Zone

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    I knew that there was a valid reason that he is portrayed as fair haired.
     
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    Not connected to Jesus. Jesus did not claim to be a Pagan-Christ. Jesus was a Jew and he claimed to be a Messiah whatever it is in Moses' Religion.
    Pagan-Christ is the concept that Paul of Tarsus aka Paul imported from the Pagans of other nations, it has got nothing to do with Jesus and his being a Messiah of the religion of Moses that was to come for internal reformation of Judaism, not out of it.
    Jesus did not die on the Cross and so there is no question of his resurrection from the dead.
    Judaism did not believe that their Messiah would be a god, son of god or anything like that. Right, please?

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    Dried out Heel? Hogwash.
     
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    I have not read this book, paarsurrey.
     
  16. Milton Platt

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    Well, we have nothing but anonymous texts and no way to verify the claim, so.......
     
  17. Milton Platt

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    Nobody disputes that crucifixion was a form of Roman punishment.
     
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  18. Milton Platt

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    How did you determine who the dried out heal belonged to and how it got nailed to a piece of wood?
     
  19. Milton Platt

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    If you were on trial in court, and there were witnesses that said you committed the crime, but you could not cross examine any of them or even prove they existed, should we convict you on their supposed word?
     
  20. Milton Platt

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    It gets muddy. For the Jews, a day began at sundown and ended at the following sundown.
     
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