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Featured Did Jesus die and rise from the dead?

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by whirlingmerc, Apr 21, 2019.

  1. JJ50

    JJ50 Well-Known Member

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    Sadly I believed all that to be true when I was a kid I thank my lucky stars I soon realised none of it was credible and I lost my faith. I am now 69 and haven't missed it. I do challenge those who claim it is true when they cannot provide evidence to back it up.
     
  2. Muffled

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    I believe the reports are factual nd the Holy Spirit confirms them. Myths have no backing by the Holy Spirit.
     
  3. Muffled

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    I believe I am enough evidence for anyone who wishes but the truth is that some would wish me to never exist.
     
  4. JJ50

    JJ50 Well-Known Member

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    The hs is another myth, imo. I have met people claiming to be 'spirit filled' who were highly unpleasant and very untrustworthy.
     
  5. sojourner

    sojourner Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006

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    You’re misunderstanding what is meant by “mythic.” “Mythic” doesn’t mean “a fake story.” Mythic stories speak truth in a way that is larger-than-life. Augustus was presented as larger-than-life. So was Jesus. Both were deified, Augustus by being proclaimed a state deity, and Jesus by virtue of resurrection.
     
  6. Kilk1

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    Lol, would you have preferred me just to quote the book?
     
  7. Kilk1

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    You didn't answer "Yes" or "No," but I'm guessing that by calling the accounts "highly mythic" (and thus not real), you're extending that to the two mainstream statements I've mentioned. Is this correct?
     
  8. sojourner

    sojourner Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006

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    “Mythic” =/= “not real.” “Mythic” = “larger-than-life.” Doesn’t mean they did or didn’t happen. It just means that the stories point to a wider perspective of meaning.
     
  9. Prince Mthembu

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    They support the gospels with many Other documents within the 1st century at least 50 years within the post resurrection era. Had you had gone through the whole note thoroughly as you should have with all other links I've been supplying, you would've noticed it said there are more than 36k letters of the 1st century in agreement with the gospels.

    These references have more mention of Jesus than any other name including Augustas. I can provide evidence but it's your responsibility to make an effort of how genuine it is. Is possible that the Roman world could have easily mentioned a hoax more than any other real stories during those days? it doesn't make any sense at all.

    Did Jesus Rise From the Dead? - Page 10 of 10 - Y-Jesus.com
     
  10. Prince Mthembu

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    A test that proves the Bible to be a lie would do.

    Let's focus on the evidence for Jesus otherwise this one is a whole new topic by itself
     
  11. Prince Mthembu

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    I've accepted everyone, it'd be silly of me not to. In the very same note - only one can be true and to me that's Jesus
     
  12. Subduction Zone

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    Please give specific examples. I am not going to an apologist source. Since apologists tend to be liars for the Bible I find no value at all in their articles.
     
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    And you just contradicted yourself.
     
  14. Subduction Zone

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    What do you mean by "a lie"? If you mean a test that would show that parts of the Bible are false then that has already happened.

    Your test is poorly defined and therefore fails as written. If you try to claim that parts of the Bible have not been shown to be wrong then you fail by not understanding either the Bible or reality.
     
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  15. Kilk1

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    There can be truth in mythical stories, yes. However, when a story is said to be a myth, it's usually implied that many events therein didn't actually happen in reality. Since your answer to my question was that the stories are myths, it seemed you were suggesting they're false.

    Therefore, I'd prefer a straightforward "Yes" or "No" to the following question I've asked: Do you grant the mainstream positions 1) that Jesus was crucified and 2) "that Peter and the disciples had experiences after Jesus’s death in which Jesus appeared to them as the risen Christ" (Gerd Lüdemann, What Really Happened to Jesus, pg. 80)?
     
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    sojourner Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006

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    As mythic stories? Yes. As historic fact? Not enough verifiable fact to arrive at a conclusion.
     
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    IndigoChild5559 Loving God and my neighbor as myself.

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    Clearly it wasn't Jesus.
     
  18. IndigoChild5559

    IndigoChild5559 Loving God and my neighbor as myself.

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    Sorry, but the majority of people on this earth don't believe it. Certainly Jews don't, which is the community in which this supposedly happened. You would think if it were real, that the very people for whom the messiah was prophecies, who *looked* for the messiah, would believe. But no, we see through this false messiah, just as we see through all the other false messiahs.
     
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    I know, I have spiritual eyes so scripture becomes plain to see, as in crystal clear.
     
  20. Prince Mthembu

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    By acceptance do you mean I must refer to all others religion as true? If so, how can that be possible?
     
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