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Featured Did Jesus die and rise from the dead?

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by whirlingmerc, Apr 21, 2019.

  1. Audie

    Audie Veteran Member

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    It is a fact that all those are just a strange fantasy, to me.

    You were raised in it, I was not. It just was an odd
    gweilo thing, and I really was not interested plus
    I did not like white people.

    You are so in the middle of it that you cannot see
    what a weird story it is nor understand how religion
    of any sort could be a matter of indifference.

    BTW, you are enjoyable to talk to. It took a very short
    time before I had to put that new guy on ig.
     
  2. Riders

    Riders Well-Known Member

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    Cure what does Revelations say and whats it about? Sense its not readable Ill give an award for genius if you can answer.
     
  3. Audie

    Audie Veteran Member

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    They are a strange bunch. Some very likeable, others
    appalling.
     
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  4. Audie

    Audie Veteran Member

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    It disagrees with itself on a lot of things, if not that.

    And dont forget thst reality may also cisagree.

    If I had a time machine I could make a lot of
    money, betting Christians on what we would see
    as we went to visit "historical" events!
     
  5. Subduction Zone

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    Sorry, but that interpretation only came about because the two contradict each other. There is no clear statement that either is Mary's line, they both appear to be Joseph's. And both nativity tales are clearly fictional, though it is hard to say which one is worse. I vote for Luke's because he has Jesus born in both roughly 4 BCE and 6 CE.
     
  6. Katzpur

    Katzpur Not your average Mormon

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    That would all depend upon where in the world they're teaching. I can assure that that the missionaries in Japan, for example, do not witness only to Christians. It would be a huge waste of their time if they did. If it seems like they"target" Christians, it's probably because the vast majority of people in the U.S. that describe themselves as believing in God at all are Christians.
     
  7. Subduction Zone

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    That might be a good thing since it reads as if it were written either by a psychotic or someone on a bad acid trip.
     
  8. Audie

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    In Japan and China, the interest in missionaries
    is almost entirely for English language practice.

    I have been asked, as one experienced in the
    land of Christians, why they go to Asia and
    try to interest people in their religion.
     
  9. Audie

    Audie Veteran Member

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    Now what do you know about that hippie stuff?
     
  10. Subduction Zone

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    LOL! I am almost of hippie age. And I did try it once.
     
  11. Audie

    Audie Veteran Member

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    I was about minus 20 at the time.
    No way I would have been a hippie anyway.
    Its hard to get me to even sip wine
     
  12. Subduction Zone

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    You were somewhere between -10 and -6 when I tried it. An interesting evening. Really stupid stuff was funny. I felt the risks did not merit another time.
     
  13. Spartan

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    You have some really bizarre conclusions that continue to fail badly.
     
  14. Subduction Zone

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    LOL, seriously the reason that many atheists are atheists is due to a better understanding of the Bible. You appear to treat it as a book of magic. It is hard to take someone's interpretations seriously that thinks that at one point in time that there were only two people or that there was a worldwide flood.
     
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    whirlingmerc Well-Known Member

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    Some people have a need to read the gospel story literally because it promises everlasting life for merely believing. However there are people that don't care to play a role in the big story and believe so that they too can join Jesus because they don't believe the world works that way, some how to the annoyance of those that do.
     
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  17. Audie

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    Likewise with someone who so doggedly
    insists on framing a conversation to his
    exact specs.
     
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  18. whirlingmerc

    whirlingmerc Well-Known Member

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    Depends what you mean by only believing' if you mean intellectual ascent and no fruit I don't believe that's saving faith. I think true saving faith is by grace through faith but produces works of love from the start.

    Colossians 1
    the gospel is bearing fruit and growing throughout the whole world just as it has been doing among you since the day you heard it and truly understood God’s grace.
     
  19. paarsurrey

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    Did Jesus die and rise from the dead?

    No, it never happened.
    One may like to read:
    "Jesus In India:

    by Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, The Promised Messiah and Mahdi (as)

    The treatise puts forward the view that Jesus survived crucifixion, left Judea and migrated eastward in order to continue his mission to the ‘Lost Tribes of Israel’, traveling through Persia and Afghanistan and eventually dying a natural and honourable death in Kashmir at an old age. Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad(as) applied textual analysis of both the Gospels and Islamic sources – the Quran and hadith – and also drew upon medical and historical material, including ancient Buddhist records, to argue his case.
    Jesus In India | Islam Ahmadiyya

    Regards
     
  20. paarsurrey

    paarsurrey Veteran Member

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    "I can tell you one things . . . Christians can't count". Unquote

    Please elaborate on one's reasonable evidences/proofs from Religion as well as from science, if any.

    Regards
     
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