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Featured Did Jesus die and rise from the dead?

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by whirlingmerc, Apr 21, 2019.

  1. Spartan

    Spartan Well-Known Member

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    Sure, luke, they're all liars and charlatans. But how would you know either way, unless you did your own due-diligence?
     
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    Why focus on the Ark when you can't accurately discuss the historical evidences for Jesus Christ over a thousand years later in history?

    Show me one fictitious person, place, or event in the Gospels and identify the pertinent scripture #'s and provide your evidence.

    If you can't do that you need not bother with other Biblical events.
     
  3. Audie

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    Anyone who saw how fast tall tales sproutec after
    the towers fell or the "maga kids" supposedly mocked the
    Indians would find "too early" as ludicrous as the
    Noahs ark tall tale.

    And BTW, oh scholar, also on the "too early"
    bit? You did just make that up. Tsk.

    One more-asap would be exactly when to
    start up some "explanation" for why their guy
    was so easy to kill. He came back to life,
    then floated away! :D
     
  4. Spartan

    Spartan Well-Known Member

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    Well first of all there's no evidence from any source from antiquity that Jesus was left on the cross (to rot or whatever). That's an unfounded theory you have.

    Second, there are historical sources that say Jesus was taken down from the cross. Even the corrupt Jewish authorities argued that the disciples stole the body.
     
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    This thread is about Jesus Christ. If you want to discuss Noah's Ark please start your own own, separate thread on that.
     
  6. Audie

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    Ah, a cute tu quoque. Who'd have guessed
    it would be that ploy?

    Just say if you believe in Noah's ark!
    Courage my man! Courage of convictions.

    Even if your big talk about due diligence is
    about to shrivel like a salted slug.
     
  7. Wandering Monk

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    Less than 80 years after George Washington died, a myth sprang up that he had a vision of American history which was given to him by and angel. Myths can spring up very quickly.
     
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    No others like Jesus have been found to be left on the cross which is proof Jesus would have been.There was no tomb.
     
  9. Audie

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    All I want is a yes or no, not a discussion.
    You claim to have done all this study and know
    a lot.
    Why run away when you see the acid test for your
    scholarship?
     
  10. InChrist

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    Why would Jesus get down? He said His hour had come. It was the appointed time for His death. His main purpose for coming to the earth was to go to the cross to pay for the sins of the world. Because of His love for humanity and to provide a way of forgiveness and eternal life, Jesus had no intention of getting off that cross.

    Thanks for the poem. Not my style, though.
     
  11. Audie

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    Are you denying that it was the custom to leave
    corpses on display? I offered no "theory".

    As for the value of these "historical sources", there are
    signrd documents attesting to the J Smith gold plates.

    Now, back to diligence. Your "Jesus" is said to have
    believed in noahs ark. Do you?

    The quality of your diligent study is zip if you
    fail this test.
     
  12. Spartan

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    What evidence do you have for those claims?
     
  13. Audie

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    Ifn he wanted people to believe in him
    would be like a totally good reason.

    As it is, it has all the ingredients of a hoax
    cobbled together.
     
  14. Audie

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    A rephrase would be in order, the claims
    make no sense as written.
     
  15. InChrist

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    His body did not stay on the cross. The Jews wanted the bodies off before the Sabbath. (Now it was the day of Preparation, and the next day was to be a special Sabbath. Because the Jewish leaders did not want the bodies left on the crosses during the Sabbath, they asked Pilate to have the legs broken and the bodies taken down. John 19:31) Do you read the biblical accounts at all? Joseph of Arimathea placed the body of Jesus in his own tomb.

    Joseph of Arimathea, a prominent member of the Council, who was himself waiting for the kingdom of God, went boldly to Pilate and asked for Jesus’ body. 44 Pilate was surprised to hear that he was already dead. Summoning the centurion, he asked him if Jesus had already died. 45 When he learned from the centurion that it was so, he gave the body to Joseph. 46 So Joseph bought some linen cloth, took down the body, wrapped it in the linen, and placed it in a tomb cut out of rock. Mark 15:43-46
     
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    Using the biblle as proof of the bible does not work for me.
     
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  17. Audie

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    That might be so, but it was the custom to have
    a display.

    British did it with pirates, hung till they rotted away as a
    suggestion to others.
     
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    I actually do agree there was a good spiritual purpose in crucifixion on the cross. However I don't believe Jesus is God and did not do it to save the world. But rather he saved the world on a human level in the sense by providing the right spiritual example, laying his life down for his community instead of doing the wrong thing.

    Turning the other cheek taking up the cross and laying your life down for others as a spiritual truth is something I can buy into. Iiteraly does not mean even having to die literally for someone else but giving up your own needs and your own time for others is in a sense laying your life down for others.

    So the Messiah message is good if you buy into the idea that he was crucified. Other Messiahs were crucified the same way too.But its a good message but theres no proof he is God.
     
  19. whirlingmerc

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    I know of no so called contradictions that are not resolvable in the New Testament

    I think what you are describing as a bit of 'tough love' with the moneychangers.
     
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    Merely providing an example would be insufficient.

    Jesus traded our sins for His righteousness and made a way so that we could get new desires and new strength. No matter what the example we can only love what we want to love and Jesus made a way to even change our desires to turn from loving gutter water of the world to loving God

    We don't have it in us on our own
     
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