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Featured Did Jesus Commit Suicide?

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Skwim, Oct 30, 2019.

  1. TransmutingSoul

    TransmutingSoul One Planet One People Please
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    No.

    Ignorant power hungry men killed him.

    Fortunate for us, you cannot Kill Christ.

    Regards Tony
     
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    Yes, that is what they sell to make it look dramatic. Feeble minds like drama.
    In fact, He merely took a few days off. According to the myth, at least.

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  3. Skwim

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    From USLEGAL.COM

    "Suicide Law and Legal Definition: 'Suicide is the taking of one's own life.' "

    So as I see it, the question is, Did Jesus intentionally bring about, or intentionally fail to stop, events that would bring about his death?

    I think one has to consider one of the reasons for his being on earth. Mark 10 says:

    Mark 10:45
    45 Follow my example: Even the Son of Man did not come for people to serve him. He came to serve others and to give his life to save many people.”
    So Jesus, obviously aware of his mission, would have intentionally done what he had to in order to accomplish it. He set out to "give his life"; eventually committing suicide by a form of "suicide by cop."

    (Suicide by cop or suicide by police is a suicide method in which an individual deliberately behaves in such a way as to provoke a lethal response from a public safety or law enforcement officer.)

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  4. ideogenous_mover

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    Technically, he might have. He had probably had the power to turn any roman solider trying to capture him to stone or whatever, but consciously chose not to do that. Pretty much the equivalent of someone choosing to sink in a lake even though they know how to swim. Clearly Jesus allowed himself to be captured
     
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    Yeah but they would lack the control jesus would have. Jesus could have turned all the roman swords and spears into jello, becoming a captive was his choice. Or maybe god's choice, as jesus said that he doesn't do what he wants, but what the father wants. Think it through a little more
     
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    If a climber dies while scaling a mountain, he cannot magically turn the ground into a pillow, nor could a firefighter spontaneously create water to cover his body by thinking it. Jesus technically could do those things, and chose not to in the situation he found himself.
     
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    So, in order to prove yourself right. You're going pretend to know what the divine, something you don't believe in, can do?
     
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    The cornerstone of his ministry was to die, as some sacrifice to "release the holy spirit" (another ball of wax). He killed himself on purpose.
     
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    I missed the passage where Jesus claims to be; all powerful, all knowing. Like I said it's not my faith. So post us a link
     
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  11. David J

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    Why
     
  12. ideogenous_mover

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    He could walk on water, raise the dead etc. make bread and fish exist out of nowhere.
     
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    Christians believe Jesus Christ was resurrected after his crucifixion ; however, His resurrection might have been myth rather than historical fact. There's no way of knowing if some extraordinary Jewish rabbi a couple of millenniums ago actually had really come back from the dead or if he recovered after being rendered unconscious by getting crucified . Heck, for all we know maybe Christ's crucifixion and resurrection could have been staged or maybe Christ's resurrection is just simply a myth.
     
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    You forgot heal. So could anyone who leart the the skill in Egypt at the time. Or at lest that's how it would appear to those that hadn't

    Anyway what gave you the idea a channel for power, has power?
     
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    I think it would probably be the most unbelievable suicide, if one would nail himself to cross to die. Even Epstein’s “suicide” is very believable in comparison to that. :D

    But what do you think, if Mafia comes to you and says, “give your money or die”. You don’t give and they kill you and then judge lets them go freely, because you committed suicide by not agreeing with their threat. Is the judgment correct?
     
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    No, that´s it, just a simple one word answer.
     
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    Where in the Bible did Christ explicitly call himself God ?
     
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  19. ideogenous_mover

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    Generally they do I thought. He must have had the power to release himself from his circumstances, but could not as that would go against the will of god. Though his power to do so most likely tempted him. If Jesus had escaped, god would have made him powerless. So perhaps it wasn't a suicide for that fact, because god would have rejected him and possibly make him die for good
     
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    You do know you're claiming to know the mind of God
     
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