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Dharmic Religions Only: Evolutionary Science and Hindu/Buddhist worldviews.

ratikala

Istha gosthi
namaskaram Spiny ji , ....

I think that kamma is essentially a moral process applying to individuals, while evolution is essentially an amoral process applying to species. Comparing them is problematic.

Prehaps we are using moral and amoral differently , ...it is not un common for a sentient or thinking being to act giving thought and attention to moral and just behavior , ..., nor is it unknown for a supposedly Sentient being to act out of self interest in a manner which defies Morality , ....

in this manner two different chains of cause and efect are taking place at one time , which makes it complecated to describe , ...however l do not think the intention was to compare , simply to say that there are different things going on at different levels symultaniously , ....

if you assume evolution to be an amoral process (meaning that it does not conform to ethical codes)where as the life force which motivates the being is allways moral ? then you have sepperated Spirit from matter ? ...is that correct ?
 

sayak83

Veteran Member
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I'd suggest it's fairer to say that evolution applies to genes, rather than species :)
A population of interbreeding organism is considered the basic unit of evolution, but genes alleles would be the unit of selection. According to the national academy,
Evolution:
Evolution consists of changes in the heritable traits of a population of organisms as successive generations replace one another. It is populations of organisms that evolve, not individual organisms.
http://www.nas.edu/evolution/Definitions.html
 

kalyan

Aspiring Sri VaishNava
A population of interbreeding organism is considered the basic unit of evolution, but genes alleles would be the unit of selection. According to the national academy,
Evolution:
Evolution consists of changes in the heritable traits of a population of organisms as successive generations replace one another. It is populations of organisms that evolve, not individual organisms.
http://www.nas.edu/evolution/Definitions.html
what is an organism in this sense,? when you say population of organisms, do you know how stupid that sounds

Millions of people are taught that the fossil record furnishes proof of evolution. But, where are there fossils of half-evolved dinosaurs or other creatures?

The fossil record contains fossils of only complete and fully-formed species. There are no fossils of partially-evolved species to indicate that a gradual process of evolution ever occurred. Even among evolutionists there are diametrically different interpretations and reconstructions of the fossils used to support human evolution from a supposed ape-like ancestry.

Even if evolution takes millions and millions of years, we should still be able to see some stages of its process. But, we simply don't observe any partially-evolved fish, frogs, lizards, birds, dogs, cats among us. Every species of plant and animal is complete and fully-formed.

Another problem is how could partially-evolved plant and animal species survive over millions of years when their basic organs and tissues were still in the process of evolving? How, for example, were animals breathing, eating, and reproducing if there respiratory, digestive, and reproductive organs were still evolving?

In fact, precisely because of this problem more and more modern evolutionists are adopting a new theory known as Punctuated Equilibrium which says that plant and animal species evolved suddenly from one kind to another and that is why we don't see evidence of partially-evolved species in the fossil record. Of course, we have to accept their word on blind faith because there is no way to prove or disprove what they are saying. These evolutionists claim that something like massive bombardment of radiation resulted in mega mutations in species which produced "instantaneous" changes from one life form to another. The nature and issue of mutations will be discussed later and the reader will see why such an argument is not viable.

The fact that animal and plant species are found fully formed and complete in the fossil record is powerful evidence (although not proof) for creation because it is evidence that they came into existence as fully formed and complete which is possible only by creation.

Evolutionists claim that the genetic and biological similarities between species is evidence of common ancestry. However, that is only one interpretation of the evidence. Another possibility is that the comparative similarities are due to a common Designer who designed similar functions for similar purposes in all the various forms of life. Neither position can be scientifically proved.

Although Darwin was partially correct by showing that natural selection occurs in nature, the problem is that natural selection itself is not a creative force. Natural selection can only work with those biological variations that are possible. The evidence from genetics supports only the possibility for horizontal evolution (i.e. varieties of dogs, cats, horses, cows, etc.) but not vertical evolution (i.e. from fish to human). Unless Nature has the ability to perform genetic engineering vertical evolution will not be possible.

The early grooves in the human embryo that appear to look like gills are really the early stages in the formation of the face, throat, and neck regions. The so-called "tailbone" is the early formation of the coccyx and spinal column which, because of the rate of growth being faster than the rest of the body during this stage, appears to look like a tail. The coccyx has already been proven to be useful in providing support for the pelvic muscles.

Modern science has shown that there are genetic limits to evolution or biological change in nature. Again, all biological variations, whether they are beneficial to survival or not, are possible only within the genetic potential and limits of a biological kind such as the varieties among dogs, cats, horses, cows, etc.

Variations across biological kinds such as humans evolving from ape-like creatures and apes, in turn, evolving from dog-like creatures and so on, as Darwinian evolutionary theory teaches, are not possible unless Nature has the capability of performing genetic engineering.

Biological variations are determined by the DNA or genetic code of species. The DNA molecule is actually a molecular string of various nucleic acids which are arranged in a sequence just like the letters in a sentence. It is this sequence in DNA that tells cells in the body how to construct various tissues and organs.

The common belief among evolutionists is that random mutations in the genetic code over time will produce entirely new sequences for new traits and characteristics which natural selection can then act upon resulting in entirely new species. Evolutionists consider mutations to be a form of natural genetic engineering.

However, the very nature of mutations precludes such a possibility. Mutations are accidental changes in the sequential structure of the genetic code caused by various random environmental forces such as radiation and toxic chemicals.

Almost all true mutations are harmful, which is what one would normally expect from accidents. Even if a good mutation occurred for every good one there will be thousands of harmful ones with the net result over time being disastrous for the species.

Most biological variations, however, are the result of new combinations of previously existing genes - not because of mutations.

Furthermore, mutations simply produce new varieties of already existing traits. For example, mutations in the gene for human hair may change the gene so that another type of human hair develops, but the mutations won't change the gene so that feathers or wings develop.

Sometimes mutations may trigger the duplication of already existing traits (i.e. an extra finger, toe, or even an entire head, even in another area of the body!). But mutations have no ability to produce entirely new traits or characteristics.

how children with different color hair (i.e., blond, brunette, brown, red ) can come from the same parents who both have black hair.

All varieties of humans carry the genes for the same basic traits, but not all humans carry every possible variation of those genes. For example, one person may be carrying several variations of the gene for eye color (i.e., brown, green, blue) , but someone else may be carrying only one variation of the gene for eye color (i.e., brown). Thus, both will have different abilities to affect the eye color of their offspring.
 
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Kirran

Premium Member
A population of interbreeding organism is considered the basic unit of evolution, but genes alleles would be the unit of selection. According to the national academy,
Evolution:
Evolution consists of changes in the heritable traits of a population of organisms as successive generations replace one another. It is populations of organisms that evolve, not individual organisms.
http://www.nas.edu/evolution/Definitions.html

Evolution being the change in allele frequencies over time, I think one can say evolution acts upon the deme or upon the gene, as a deme ia essentially the emergent property of a set of alleles in an environment.
 

Kirran

Premium Member
Kalyan: all organisms are intermediate forms, what do you mean by half-formed? It isn't teleological.
 

Rick O'Shez

Irishman bouncing off walls
if you assume evolution to be an amoral process (meaning that it does not conform to ethical codes)where as the life force which motivates the being is allways moral ? then you have sepperated Spirit from matter ? ...is that correct ?

If we're talking about "life force" then it's the instinct for survival which appears to be primary force in evolutionary terms. Survival of the individual organism and survival of the species via procreation. It's difficult to reconcile this with the moral evolution of kamma and rebirth.
 

sayak83

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what is an organism in this sense,? when you say population of organisms, do you know how stupid that sounds
Why? Every living creature is an organism. (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/organism). Not sure what is stupid sounding here.

Millions of people are taught that the fossil record furnishes proof of evolution. But, where are there fossils of half-evolved dinosaurs or other creatures?

The fossil record contains fossils of only complete and fully-formed species. There are no fossils of partially-evolved species to indicate that a gradual process of evolution ever occurred.

Every generation in an evolutionary lineage ALWAYS belongs to a coherent species. That is what is expected. Think of the color spectrum (http://www.colorsontheweb.com/colorinformation.asp). Each frequency line is a color and, for this analogy, corresponds to a single generation of interbreeding organisms. The next generation changes a little and represents the next incremental line in the color spectrum. There is not much difference between purple of 400 nm and purple of 400.05 nm, but there is some. This goes on generation after generation, until the descendants have altered enough for us to notice the difference and register it. This is like switching the color label from violet to indigo at 435 nm. Has something truly remarkable happened between 434.95 nm color and 435 nm color lines? No. But the mean, averaged out experience of seeing colors between 390-430 nm wavelength and 440-450 nm wavelength is different enough for us to classify those differently. Your objection is tantamount to arguing that if we truly can move smoothly fractions of nanometer at a time from violet to yellow, where are those half colors, why are all intermediates labelled into one or the other color? The example makes clear why the argument fails. You can use the same idea for things like musical pitch etc.


Even among evolutionists there are diametrically different interpretations and reconstructions of the fossils used to support human evolution from a supposed ape-like ancestry.
They are not at all dramatic. The main differences is how coarsely or finely we should resolve the differences between generations in terms of features. As the color line makes clear, we could resolve that line into thousands of more finely resolved color bands if we choose to, or lump them even more coarsely into fewer colors (like only 3, blue, yellow-green, red). This mostly depends on tastes. Similarly in paleontology we have "lumpers" and "splitters".

Even if evolution takes millions and millions of years, we should still be able to see some stages of its process. But, we simply don't observe any partially-evolved fish, frogs, lizards, birds, dogs, cats among us. Every species of plant and animal is complete and fully-formed.
You need to unpack this more. I presented you with lots of links for transitional forms between groups found in the fossil record. They are both transitional (like orange is transitional between yellow and red) and a fully fledged species in their own right. I do not see a contradiction.

Another problem is how could partially-evolved plant and animal species survive over millions of years when their basic organs and tissues were still in the process of evolving? How, for example, were animals breathing, eating, and reproducing if there respiratory, digestive, and reproductive organs were still evolving?
What's complicated about this? A dinosaur that can run as well as glide can give way to a dinosaur that can run slowly and glide faster by flapping. The descendant has simply become faster in one medium (air) and slower in another medium (ground) and hence while the ancestor spent more time on the ground, the descendant spends more in air. But both modes work as effectively in their own way.
Tiger's cannot digest grass or fruits but can eat and tear into all kinds of meat. A bear can digest fruits and some kinds of meat, but cannot digest grass. A deer cannot digest meat at all, but can digest both grass and fruit. Again a spectrum.

In fact, precisely because of this problem more and more modern evolutionists are adopting a new theory known as Punctuated Equilibrium which says that plant and animal species evolved suddenly from one kind to another and that is why we don't see evidence of partially-evolved species in the fossil record. Of course, we have to accept their word on blind faith because there is no way to prove or disprove what they are saying. These evolutionists claim that something like massive bombardment of radiation resulted in mega mutations in species which produced "instantaneous" changes from one life form to another. The nature and issue of mutations will be discussed later and the reader will see why such an argument is not viable.
I know what punctuated evolution means and it means nothing like what you are saying. Link please (from actual science websites).

The fact that animal and plant species are found fully formed and complete in the fossil record is powerful evidence (although not proof) for creation because it is evidence that they came into existence as fully formed and complete which is possible only by creation.



The early grooves in the human embryo that appear to look like gills are really the early stages in the formation of the face, throat, and neck regions. The so-called "tailbone" is the early formation of the coccyx and spinal column which, because of the rate of growth being faster than the rest of the body during this stage, appears to look like a tail. The coccyx has already been proven to be useful in providing support for the pelvic muscles.
No they are gills. One can track cell generation by cell generation in embroyos now and the same cells that act as gills in fish become the bones of throat and neck regions for land mammals. And we can see that transition happening in the fossil record as well.

Your question of how organs evolve has been very well explained in the video below. Watch it is interested. It also goes into the gill to neck bones transition.

Modern science has shown that there are genetic limits to evolution or biological change in nature. Again, all biological variations, whether they are beneficial to survival or not, are possible only within the genetic potential and limits of a biological kind such as the varieties among dogs, cats, horses, cows, etc.
Modern science has shown nothing of that kind. Link please.



Biological variations are determined by the DNA or genetic code of species. The DNA molecule is actually a molecular string of various nucleic acids which are arranged in a sequence just like the letters in a sentence. It is this sequence in DNA that tells cells in the body how to construct various tissues and organs.
Simplistic, but mostly correct as a first appx.

The common belief among evolutionists is that random mutations in the genetic code over time will produce entirely new sequences for new traits and characteristics which natural selection can then act upon resulting in entirely new species. Evolutionists consider mutations to be a form of natural genetic engineering.
Reasonable description.
Continued.....
 

sayak83

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However, the very nature of mutations precludes such a possibility. Mutations are accidental changes in the sequential structure of the genetic code caused by various random environmental forces such as radiation and toxic chemicals.
Not necessarily. But they are random.

Almost all true mutations are harmful, which is what one would normally expect from accidents. Even if a good mutation occurred for every good one there will be thousands of harmful ones with the net result over time being disastrous for the species.
False.
Most mutations are neutral. The ratio of harmful to beneficial mutations is found to be (experimentally) far higher than originally thought. The relative ratio between beneficial and harmful mutations range from 2% for highly well-adapted populations to 20% for severely stressed populations (here stressed and unstressed is defined by whether the population is exploding or collapsing over generations). This is 1000 times the rates originally expected by theoreticians in the 1950s and 1960s and have made concerns about how organisms could evolve or retain their fitness in a changing environment (the Muller's ratchet has become obsolete). The current problem is that all previous mathematical models on evolution was built in the idea of beneficial mutations being very rare. This is what made biologists reluctant to test evolution in the lab in the 1960s. But now the situation has reversed. Beneficial mutation rates are found to be high enough that they are observed to arise de-novo over the course of a few months for bacterial and a few years for more complex animals (flies, even chickens). But this also means that the old theoretical evolution that focused on how the effects of deleterious mutations can be survived by populations till that rare beneficial mutation arise, is no longer relevant. Currently biologists are trying to come up with models of how a population is expected to behave when there is such a high abundance of beneficial mutations.

Source:-
Theme Issue 'The population genetics of mutations: good, bad and indifferent' compiled and edited by Laurence Loewe and William G. Hill
27 April 2010; volume 365, issue 1544
(Philosophical Transactions of Royal Society B)

Also See:-
Adaptive Mutations in Bacteria: High Rate and Small Effects .Science 317, 813 (2007);
"Given the estimates for the overall mutation rate in E. coli (30) and its genomic deleterious mutation rate (1), our estimate of Ua implies that 1 in 150 newly arising mutations is beneficial and that 1 in 10 fitness-affecting mutations increases the fitness of the individual carrying it."

For multicellular organisms (flies, plants, insects, mice) see
Population genomics of rapid adaptation by soft selective sweeps Messer and Petrov 2013



Most biological variations, however, are the result of new combinations of previously existing genes - not because of mutations.
Those combinations themselves arise due to mutations, as has been observed. What happens that in a new environment these neutral mutations become advantageous and thus begin to get selected for.

Furthermore, mutations simply produce new varieties of already existing traits. For example, mutations in the gene for human hair may change the gene so that another type of human hair develops, but the mutations won't change the gene so that feathers or wings develop.
A claim without any evidence. A change of hair color is a change in a protein. The change of scales to feathers is also a sequence of stepwise changes in proteins.

Sometimes mutations may trigger the duplication of already existing traits (i.e. an extra finger, toe, or even an entire head, even in another area of the body!). But mutations have no ability to produce entirely new traits or characteristics.
Define entirely new. Since gills have been repurposed into neck bones, they are also not entirely new.

how children with different color hair (i.e., blond, brunette, brown, red ) can come from the same parents who both have black hair.
Yes that's obviously has nothing to do whatsoever with evolution. Evolution of tetrachromatic vision is evolution though.
http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20140905-the-women-with-super-human-vision


All varieties of humans carry the genes for the same basic traits, but not all humans carry every possible variation of those genes. For example, one person may be carrying several variations of the gene for eye color (i.e., brown, green, blue) , but someone else may be carrying only one variation of the gene for eye color (i.e., brown). Thus, both will have different abilities to affect the eye color of their offspring.
Combination of already existing genetic traits in a neutral manner is again obviously not evolution. Nobody has said otherwise.
 

kalyan

Aspiring Sri VaishNava
Every generation in an evolutionary lineage ALWAYS belongs to a coherent species. That is what is expected. Think of the color spectrum (http://www.colorsontheweb.com/colorinformation.asp). Each frequency line is a color and, for this analogy, corresponds to a single generation of interbreeding organisms. The next generation changes a little and represents the next incremental line in the color spectrum. There is not much difference between purple of 400 nm and purple of 400.05 nm, but there is some. This goes on generation after generation, until the descendants have altered enough for us to notice the difference and register it. This is like switching the color label from violet to indigo at 435 nm. Has something truly remarkable happened between 434.95 nm color and 435 nm color lines? No. But the mean, averaged out experience of seeing colors between 390-430 nm wavelength and 440-450 nm wavelength is different enough for us to classify those differently. Your objection is tantamount to arguing that if we truly can move smoothly fractions of nanometer at a time from violet to yellow, where are those half colors, why are all intermediates labelled into one or the other color? The example makes clear why the argument fails. You can use the same idea for things like musical pitch etc.
Analogies does NOT sit well when you are trying to prove something as real, you should know that right? In other words, you cannot produce 'fossils of half-evolved dinosaurs or other creatures'


 

Kirran

Premium Member
Analogies does NOT sit well when you are trying to prove something as real, you should know that right? In other words, you cannot produce 'fossils of half-evolved dinosaurs or other creatures'


What would a half-evolved dinosaur look like kalyan? I am unsure what it is you are asking here so perhaps we can gain better clarity in the discussion.
 

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
Analogies does NOT sit well when you are trying to prove something as real, you should know that right? In other words, you cannot produce 'fossils of half-evolved dinosaurs or other creatures'
Kalyan, you should not dabble in science, you hardly know anything about it. Moreover, you would not check even with Wikipedia (easiest and the best source of initial information). Better stick to scriptures.

"Dinosaurs diverged from their archosaur ancestors during the middle to late Triassic period, roughly 20 million years after the Permian–Triassic extinction event wiped out an estimated 95% of all life on Earth. Radiometric dating of the rock formation that contained fossils from the early dinosaur genus Eoraptor at 231.4 million years old establishes its presence in the fossil record at this time. Most of these other animals became extinct in the Triassic, in one of two events. First, at about 215 million years ago, a variety of basal archosauromorphs, including the protorosaurs, became extinct.

This was followed by the Triassic–Jurassic extinction event (about 200 million years ago), that saw the end of most of the other groups of early archosaurs, like aetosaurs, ornithosuchids, phytosaurs, and rauisuchians. Rhynchosaurs and dicynodonts survived (at least in some areas) at least as late as early-mid Norian and early Rhaetian, respectively, and the exact date of their extinction is uncertain. These losses left behind a land fauna of crocodylomorphs, dinosaurs, mammals, pterosaurians, and turtles. The first few lines of early dinosaurs diversified through the Carnian and Norian stages of the Triassic, possibly by occupying the niches of the groups that became extinct."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinosaur#Evolutionary_history

"Direct dating of the bones themselves has supported the later date, with U–Pb dating methods resulting in a precise age of 64.8 ± 0.9 million years ago."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinosaur#Extinction_of_major_groups

Skeleton of Marasuchus lilloensis, a dinosaur-like ornithodiran
330px-Marasuchus.JPG

The early forms Herrerasaurus (large), Eoraptor (small) and a Plateosaurus skull
330px-Herrerasaurusskeleton.jpg
 
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kalyan

Aspiring Sri VaishNava
Kalyan, you should not dabble in science, you hardly know anything about it. Moreover, you would not check even with Wikipedia (easiest and the best source of initial information). Better stick to scriptures.

"Dinosaurs diverged from their archosaur ancestors during the middle to late Triassic period, roughly 20 million years after the Permian–Triassic extinction event wiped out an estimated 95% of all life on Earth. Radiometric dating of the rock formation that contained fossils from the early dinosaur genus Eoraptor at 231.4 million years old establishes its presence in the fossil record at this time. Most of these other animals became extinct in the Triassic, in one of two events. First, at about 215 million years ago, a variety of basal archosauromorphs, including the protorosaurs, became extinct. This was followed by the Triassic–Jurassic extinction event (about 200 million years ago), that saw the end of most of the other groups of early archosaurs, like aetosaurs, ornithosuchids, phytosaurs, and rauisuchians. Rhynchosaurs and dicynodonts survived (at least in some areas) at least as late as early-mid Norian and early Rhaetian, respectively, and the exact date of their extinction is uncertain. These losses left behind a land fauna of crocodylomorphs, dinosaurs, mammals, pterosaurians, and turtles. The first few lines of early dinosaurs diversified through the Carnian and Norian stages of the Triassic, possibly by occupying the niches of the groups that became extinct."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinosaur#Evolutionary_history

"Direct dating of the bones themselves has supported the later date, with U–Pb dating methods resulting in a precise age of 64.8 ± 0.9 million years ago."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinosaur#Extinction_of_major_groups

Skeleton of Marasuchus lilloensis, a dinosaur-like ornithodiran
330px-Marasuchus.JPG

The early forms Herrerasaurus (large), Eoraptor (small) and a Plateosaurus skull
330px-Herrerasaurusskeleton.jpg
I never claimed I am a scientist. Did I ?

Evolutionists find the tooth of a pig and it becomes a world wide sensation missing link!

We have still yet to see any evidence of one species becoming another. Variations in the same species doesn't equate to evolution. For all we know at this stage is that those variations are preprogrammed in the DNA as possible variations. Mixing of DNA may make a new type of dog, but it is still a dog. So, even if a complex single cell organism managed to spontaneously form with perfect parts one time or even a thousand times, it wouldn't account for the wonderful variety of life here on Earth.
 

Kirran

Premium Member
I never claimed I am a scientist. Did I ?

Evolutionists find the tooth of a pig and it becomes a world wide sensation missing link!

We have still yet to see any evidence of one species becoming another. Variations in the same species doesn't equate to evolution. For all we know at this stage is that those variations are preprogrammed in the DNA as possible variations. Mixing of DNA may make a new type of dog, but it is still a dog. So, even if a complex single cell organism managed to spontaneously form with perfect parts one time or even a thousand times, it wouldn't account for the wonderful variety of life here on Earth.

Kalyan, we've actually observed speciation on several occasions, including in the lab and in the field.


Perhaps this link will be of interest -

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/speciation.html

Has your guruji ever commented one way or the other on the reality or not of biological evolution, kalyan?
 

ratikala

Istha gosthi
Namaskaram Spiny ji , ....
If we're talking about "life force" then it's the instinct for survival which appears to be primary force in evolutionary terms. Survival of the individual organism and survival of the species via procreation. It's difficult to reconcile this with the moral evolution of kamma and rebirth.

when I am speaking about life force I am speaking about Prana , the universal force that pervades all living beings and inanimate objects equaly , ...Prana flows through the Body but is not the Body , ....therefore Bodily forms may mutate dependant upon conditional circumstance but Prana is unconditioned , ....

Sadly I still do not understand your take on karma being Moral ?
 

ratikala

Istha gosthi
Namaskaram Kirran ji ,

What would a half-evolved dinosaur look like kalyan? I am unsure what it is you are asking here so perhaps we can gain better clarity in the discussion.

what I dont understand is that Evolution seems to work to a point then like dinosaurs , ...evolution fails them and they Die out , ....

Has your guruji ever commented one way or the other on the reality or not of biological evolution, kalyan?

forgive me for answering you question to Kalyan , he too can answer it , I would be interested in his responce also , ...

actualy no , ...the reason I think is that his interest is in expounding upon the True nature of the ' life force ' , rather than the Receptical , ...after all one would not realy expect a Guru to take much interest in , or expend muuch time discussing the intracacies of Maya after all it is an illusion , that does not mean that illusion and reality are not intertwined , at least on a material level , ...but it is some what un important to the Spiritualy inclined .
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
I never claimed I am a scientist. Did I ?

Evolutionists find the tooth of a pig and it becomes a world wide sensation missing link!

We have still yet to see any evidence of one species becoming another. Variations in the same species doesn't equate to evolution. For all we know at this stage is that those variations are preprogrammed in the DNA as possible variations. Mixing of DNA may make a new type of dog, but it is still a dog. So, even if a complex single cell organism managed to spontaneously form with perfect parts one time or even a thousand times, it wouldn't account for the wonderful variety of life here on Earth.

It is indeed obvious that you are not a scientist. Nor do you make any effort at being fair towards them. It definitely shows.

The only true statement in your whole post is that you are not a scientist.
 
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