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Devil, Satan, Beelzebub... are you under his influence?

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by t3gah, Dec 24, 2004.

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  1. t3gah

    t3gah Well-Known Member

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    According to the scriptures in the Greek Septuagint, the enemy of the Almighty Heavenly Father is a former angel of heaven, Beelzebub, who is known as "Devil" and "Satan". In the book of Revelation (Apocalypse), Michael the Arch Angel battles with this angel and the enemy angels partners but they get defeated and then cast out of heaven.

    The Watch Tower Bible & Tract Society believe that one who is both Satan and Devil is in control of many peoples thoughts.

    Who Really Rules The World
    (http://www.watchtower.org/library/t22/who_rules.htm)
     
  2. t3gah

    t3gah Well-Known Member

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    Revelation 12:7-9 (American Standard Version of 1901)
    12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels [going forth] to war with the dragon; and the dragon warred and his angels; 12:8 And they prevailed not, neither was their place found any more in heaven. 12:9 And the great dragon was cast down, the old serpent, he that is called the Devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world; he was cast down to the earth, and his angels were cast down with him.

    Revelation 12:7-9 (King James Version)
    12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, 12:8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
     
  3. Quoth The Raven

    Quoth The Raven Half Arsed Muse

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    Mate, I'm starting to think you're taking the **** out of the JW's and you're not as mental as you're coming across.
     
  4. WitnessofJah

    WitnessofJah Member

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    You are absolutely correct. This guy has definitley got an axe to grinde with us and is on a mission on this board to implant in everybodies' heads that we are evil, mind-controlling individuals who wants this world to be destroyed.

    MODS: Is this kind of anti-JW (or any religion) even allowed? I'm all for free speech on these boards, but I mean, pretty much "t3gah's" every post and every thread of his has winded down to some anti-JW propaganda of some sort - and he will continue to do so - watch for yourself.

    WitnessofJah
     
  5. SoulTYPE

    SoulTYPE Well-Known Member

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    .......much likemine used to be. And I got warned. Kind of. And it was fair that I did to.
     
  6. SoulTYPE

    SoulTYPE Well-Known Member

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    It is things like these arguments that turn me off religious beliefs..
     
  7. Ceridwen018

    Ceridwen018 Well-Known Member

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    t3gah,

    What if god tries to talk to me. How will I know it's him and not Satan?
     
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  8. Circle_One

    Circle_One Well-Known Member

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    Or just plain old Schizophrenia. Can't rule that out Ceridwen :biglaugh:
     
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  9. SoulTYPE

    SoulTYPE Well-Known Member

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    I am going to frubal those two posts.
     
  10. Circle_One

    Circle_One Well-Known Member

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    Lol, thank you Soul.

    Off Topic for a moment: Does anyone else love this smilie guy as much as I do? :jam:
     
  11. SoulTYPE

    SoulTYPE Well-Known Member

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    Huajiro does.
     
  12. Circle_One

    Circle_One Well-Known Member

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    I think I want to get a tattoo of it. Though it wouldn't be as cool because his head wouldn't be nodding.
     
  13. t3gah

    t3gah Well-Known Member

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    What is a frubal? :sarcastic
     
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  14. WitnessofJah

    WitnessofJah Member

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    So what is your purpose of posting all this then? For the fun? What do you wish to inform everybody on this forum about JW? Why don't you discuss other topics? Why do you ALWAYS have to wind down to something like "I have no idea where the governing body get their info from..."

    BTW, you are not inactive - you already have said that you an "ex-JW". You neither share JW beliefs: "The anointed are not anointed" "The Governing body is a group of old men controlling them" "All their publications don't contain references" "I gave all my publications back and dumped it outside their kingdom hall" - and many more other quips.

    I don't have any problem whatsoever with you quoting from the Watchtower CD or NWT in the slightest...but you are clearly not using them in the correct context and in some cases, you summarize them and then promptly contradict them right after.

    Quoting from our publications and then inserting a quip on how it is all false is not a fair way to summarize an entire religion - or any religion for that matter.
     
  15. retrorich

    retrorich SUPER NOT-A-MOD

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    Beelzebub
    I love that name. It sounds like a Charles Dickens character. :biglaugh:
     
  16. Pah

    Pah Uber all member

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    As a retired mod, I can say that this board does reflect a market place of ideas essential to the promise of religious freedom. However difficult ideas may be to an individual, or even if wrong, only other ideas may be levied against them. Oppression of ideas is not an option but presentation of another "truth" is.

    I personally find religion (that man-made concept of organized faith) is fraught with error but I would no more censor t3gah's ideas as I would yours.

    One man's heresy is another man's tenet of faith. How is an outsider to condemn one over the other?

    Bob
     
  17. lilithu

    lilithu The Devil's Advocate

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    I've always had sympathy for the Devil. And it took me a few years to realize it, but God doesn't mind one bit! :cool:
     
  18. Quoth The Raven

    Quoth The Raven Half Arsed Muse

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    Something like Brownie Points. As of this moment you have 18. You give them in the little box at the top of the posts that says 'frubals', if you think someone's post is deserving for whatever reason (ie. they made a particularly good point, or made you snort coffee out your nose) you can frubal them.
     
  19. Feathers in Hair

    Feathers in Hair World's Tallest Hobbit

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    Not quite, because you are ultimately a kind soul and were being honest.

    This person seems to be either mocking us in his presentation of things or JWs. Either way... it doesn't make me very happy.
     
  20. painted wolf

    painted wolf Grey Muzzle

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    Tiggah, why not state your beef with JW's rather than all this low sneaking around. All religions have thier good and bad points and while JWism isn't my brand of faith I think that your methods are sorely lacking. I have read the watchtower and other such JW publications and while I don't agree with thier POV, I see no differnce between thier propaganda and that of any other organized religion.
    Pretending to be something that you are not in order to insite dislike in others is IMHO a bit tasteless.

    wa:do
     
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