Does that further clarify what I have said?
Look , like our last discussion , you are not geting my point , and as i understand your intention , please try to understand mine.
What you wan't to say with your pattern , it leads back to the crazy staff and Muhhamad , and i get that.
You are trying to find truth in potential pattern with possibility of violent effect.
And i see the source in the verse with The Parable of Light , wright?
So i am arguing the way you present the pattern , and the content of it by simpy saying to you there are other ways of valuating,different from your understanding.
By that i mean :
Romans 13:3-5
"For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and you will be commended. For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer.
Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also as a matter of conscience."
How i understand this verse?
We should obey the laws of our country to both avoid punishment and to have a clean conscience. The government's purpose is to punish evil, not good. There's no real reason for us to fear our government if we obey the law, for rulers are not a cause of fear for good.
And also :
Romans 10:14-15
"How, then, can they call on the one they have not believed in? And how can they believe in the one of whom they have not heard? And how can they hear without someone preaching to them? And how can they preach unless they are sent? As it is written, "How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news!"
So this is Christian way of seeing things , and that's also different way.
And you can argue that by just quoting what i have bolded above.
I understand that also.
But what is truth? How do we get to truth ?
"Declaring that something is true for one person, but not for another, is to claim that the truth is relative to or dependent on the subject being considered. Therefore, there is no universal truth applicable to all men, making the judgment of others futile. Thus, the endgame of this phrase becomes quite clear."
Let me show you an example of what i mean.
A glass contains 50 % water.
A pessimist is a person who considers the glass half full; an optimist considers the glass half empty. A realist drinks the water and knows that both explenations are correct in each way.
But what about the pesimist and optimist, what's the point there?
So , for example, someone with pessimism may look at a rainy day and think of how it has ruined their plans or how miserable they will be when they get wet. Someone with optimism would look at the same rainy day and think of how the water will be good for the nature.
It comes to a point where you have to make a risk to go one way.
You can stay in neutral line , but life has it's ups and downs.
And my reason for arguing like this is the orign of Islam and the difference between the historical and Islamic Muhhamad.
First , Quran is more about techical view of life,Christianity is more about spiritual.
We don't belive that one is just a number
We belive in more then that
The fact or state of being three in
one.
Let me show you an example:
Three seperate structures of
nitrate.
One molecule of nitrate is all
three resident structure all the time , and
never just one of them, the
three are
separate , but
all the
same, and they are
one , they are
three in one.
Just the way of thinking that God
can't be in this state is a contradiction to God's nature and power.
Advice : Be more focused on the state , not on the number if you wan't to understand this.
The point is that i have a reason to even argue the way of saying things like this.
First step is to hear what history says , and history says more about Muhhamad then Islam.
So when someone says Islam is the Last Word of God i don't look at it because it's written so , I value Last differently,so for me is the one to prove to be the Last.
And we have different criteria sadly..
So some will say that Islam is the fastest growing religion on Earth , but i can argue that just by saying "yes, but biologically".But when you look at convertion , Christianity has more then double of the numbers and increasing.
Convertion is not so predictable as biologicall explenation.
In fact , convertion can have effect on the biologicall explanation , so that claim is not so strong anymore.
It's hard to stand at that neutral point and to argue reason.
Just because you define things like you defined , doesn't mean that it is used like that.
Sword is a weapon and you can use it to do harm with it , but Sword is also an object used for Fencing.
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I am just showing you the effects of another view.
You benefit just by thinking like this.
Just because Hitler tought he was doing good and just because he had favorable opinions towards Christianity , doesn't mean that he was a Christian.
The sixth commandment forbids direct and intentional killing as gravely sinful.
Love fullfills all the commamdments , love does not deny them.
I can show you a verse that confirms this.
There is a big difference when you compare Hitler with Christianity.
I can also bark and say that i am a dog , but am i?
So when Jesus spoke like this and i look back at the Old Testament i say to myself : Wait , wait , what?
Gospel of John 10
"The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep."
Psalm 23:1-3
"The Lord is my shepherd, I lack nothing.He makes me lie down in green pastures,he leads me beside quiet waters,he refreshes my soul.
He guides me along the right paths for his name’s sake."
Muslims belive in the Zabur wright?
So , yes i will agree with you that there are crazy staff out there
If you don't understand how i argue your point , we can't go further.
