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Dems and the environment?

Discussion in 'North American Politics' started by Riders, Aug 23, 2019.

  1. Riders

    Riders Well-Known Member

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    Sense we have only 10 to 20 years left on the planet, if we get a Democrat president next term is it too late to save mother earth? Will Democrats even be able to get the job done?
     
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    fantome profane Have you read the Whistleblower complaint?
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    Very sad to see Jay Inslee drop out of the race. I had hoped he it would have at least made it to the next debate. He kept the focus on this issue.
     
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    Do you think that a President of the USA is going to get the real polluters in the world to stop ? Noooooo.

    Even if we destroy our economy trying to prevent the end, it will mean little, because the others, again, will do nothing.

    So, if the bartender is right, we are all going to fry.

    She isn´t right though.
     
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    No, because they don't WANT to 'get the job done.' "Getting the job done' doesn't net them any power. After all, do you hear any Democrat talking about the hole in the ozone layer?

    No. You don't. Why? Because we went and FIXED that, and it will be gone in the next decade or so, and is shrinking daily. Success doesn't appeal to the left, only failure does, because it can USE failure to bolster their political power. They are also hypocrites, constantly talking about how WE (meaning us...) need to stop driving, use public transportation and limit our diets, etc., while they are flitting around in their private jets between their fenced in mansions.

    Now me, I'm all for recycling, for doing our level best to limit our output of greenhouse gases, to clean up our environment, etc., I even recycle straws and weave my own market bags. In fact, you can't tell me from a rabid tree-hugger. Shoot, I'll probably hug harder and longer than the most green of left wingers.

    But I do it because it's the responsible way for ME to take care of the planet, not because some idiot is shouting 'the sky is falling!" Because it isn't. I'm quite aware that there is climate change. The earth DOES that. It's done that for four billion years, and it's a tad arrogant of humans to figure that WE are a: completely responsible and b: that we can stop a very natural and usual process. What we CAN do is simply take care of the environment we obviously can take care of, and not let our housekeeping get political.

    But no, Democrats won't get the job done. I mean, really....they are ROOTING for a recession because they think it will help them get a Democrat elected to the White House. Just how stupid is that?
     
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    What makes you think the human race will be entirely extinct in 10 to 20 years?
     
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    The scientists predict in 10 years it will be very hot from global warming hard to live. I;ve also been told life will be very different we wont be able to travel anywhere. We will need to eat food from our own region etc deseases and within 2- years global warming will destroy us.
     
  7. Nowhere Man

    Nowhere Man Bompu Zen Man with a little bit of Bushido.

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    I'll put the kettle on. Have some tea while we wait.

    Sue Flay makes a lovely cup of tea.


     
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    Nowhere Man Bompu Zen Man with a little bit of Bushido.

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    Well those islands haven't sunk yet. I think we're going to be fine.

    But then again.....

    Asteroid warning: Space rock comparable to dinosaur killer is heading Earth’s way


    " If it ain't one thing, then it's another"!
    -Rosanna Danna-
     
  9. fantome profane

    fantome profane Have you read the Whistleblower complaint?
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    Three islands disappeared in the past year. Is climate change to blame?

    We are watching them sink in real time, islands that have sunk, and islands that are sinking. We are seeing sunny day flooding of costal areas. Crops are being effected. Every passing year is the hottest year on record, till the next year.

    Yeah, everything is fine.
     
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    We also now have the Amazon rain forests which are burning down in record time.
    I think were doomed, i give it 10 years maybe less. I hope that Mother nature shakes herself free from us is we are to die and maybe eventually evolution can start over and the animals will come come back and be alive again.
     
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    China, India are moving to renewable energy. Your argument is recycled RW nonsense.

    Who said moving to more renewable energy will destroy the economy? Big Oil tell you that, RW outlet?
    As mentioned above, the others are already doing something.

    Did you also believe Big Tobacco telling you smoking was harmless?
     
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    I actually agree with this. Mainstream Democrats have been far too much rich elites and tied to corporate interest. And that makes far more mess than the private sector. Until we can get the Overton window to shift left enough for Capitol ventures to mean less than human safety, Democrats are going to have mixed success at best. Which us why I want Democrats are *actually* leftists, not center-right by everyone elses standards.
    I'll help you clean off the sap afterward. ;)
    The numbers paint a pretty clear picture that no point in Earth history outside meteor or super visible volcanic activity has climate changed so fast. Coupled with lining up with industrial timelines, there's no good reason to believe this is a (wholly) natural event.
    After all, dimpling in the ozone is common, and there has never been uniform thinness, but it was the lowered release of human-production chlorine into the stratosphere which stopped ozone depletion. (Which is a great thing!)
    I'm not. I don't think a recession would change Trump fan's minds, so it would be stupid. It would damage us all for nothing. I hope a lot of Trump's policies will fail because I think they're illogical, immoral or ineffectual but you couldn't tell me with a straight face conservatives didn't do the same with Obama.
     
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    Well there's no way of knowing weather a recession would effect the next election or not. But back tot he topic, the rain forests in Amazon is burning down at the rate of 2 football fields a minute and its in part because the country beside it is using fire to work their farms and also because of the climate change.

    So the rain forests are responsible for 20 percent of our oxygen............how do you think were gonna be able to breath well of Trump doesn't do something about it at the next causcas or whatever it is hes going to right now? They said leaders wanted to talk to him about it but I don;t think he cares.

    I'm ready to leave this earth.
     
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    Heres the link
     
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    Nowhere Man Bompu Zen Man with a little bit of Bushido.

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    I plan on sticking around sitting on my lawn chair*, and watching chicken little running around yelling that the sky is falling.

    *As long as the old ticker let's me. ;O)
     
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    Nice try. China and India are STILL the worlds largest polluters. Then there is all of Africa, South America, South Asia, and of course Russia.

    We are already doing something as well, we have much higher standards than those named.

    The question was asked within the framework of twelve years till the end of the world.

    Whether you like it, or not, or current economy is based on oil. Plastics, heating, cooling, asphalt a million processes and products depend upon oil.

    Electric cars depend upon oil created electricity.

    So, it needs to be changed, I agree. Nevertheless, we do not control the rest of the world.

    It is going to take decades to convert our system to renewables, unless, of course we try and do something like the green new deal, which will destroy our economy, no doubt about it.

    Further, to adopt something so ludicrous enshrines a vast amount of power for the federal government, with which they can intrude into every aspect of life. Perhaps the socialist dream, but it would be death to liberty and individualism.

    My home is completely solar. The excess power I produce is sold to the power company. We are in essence a tiny contributor to the grid, a tiny power company.

    Solar, done right, is very expensive. I won´t live long enough to have enough in power savings to offset the cost of the system. I installed to add value for when I sell the house.

    I know the cost for a 3 bedroom house, for the entire nation to go solar in a short period of time the cost would be astronomical. The power and processes expended to build a large wind turbine exceed in pollution what the turbine could save for a long, long time.

    Better a two track approach, attempting to reduce as far as possible as quickly as possible, and research into survival strategies if the worst occurs.
     
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    So you are not in favour of an approach that increases the output of greenhouse gases while making no effort at all in carbon neutral energy. Am I correct in making that assumption?
     
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    You didn read what I have written in this thread. Your assumption is wrong.
     
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    So you are in favour of increased output of greenhouse gases?
     
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