Democrats Reject Amendment On Firearm Background Check

[esmith]

Seems that the Democrats rejected an amendment to H.R. 8 (The Bipartisan Background Checks Act of 2019) to alert law enforcement authorities when gun buyers, including illegal immigrants, fail those background checks.
Democrats reject push to alert ICE when illegal immigrants fail firearm background checks

 

[ADigitalArtist]

Not seen in this inflammatory take:

First:
Police would be contacted any time a failed background check happens. Volunteering and failing a background check is not illegal. Perusing a person based on a failed background check is presumption of guilt.

Now if they lie about details to try and pass the background check, that's when it's illegal and should be reported to authorities, regardless of migrant, citizen, etc.

Second:
Unlawful possession of a firearm is a matter for police only, which ICE is not. Nor is it under their jurisdiction to handle illegally obtained weapons. They would have to turn right around and call the police anyway. (See 8 U.S. Code § 1357 - Powers of immigration officers and employees)

Third:
There's a growing movement by both Democrats and Republicans to abolish ice, (including members of ice) as a mismanaged over bloated arm of government with more responsibility than it can oversee and too little oversight.
Tacitly making ICE the middle man here when law officers should be handling the case directly won't help.

 

[esmith]

Not seen in this inflammatory take:

First:
Police would be contacted any time a failed background check happens. Volunteering and failing a background check is not illegal. Perusing a person based on a failed background check is presumption of guilt.

Now if they lie about details to try and pass the background check, that's when it's illegal and should be reported to authorities, regardless of migrant, citizen, etc.

Second:
Unlawful possession of a firearm is a matter for police only, which ICE is not. Nor is it under their jurisdiction to handle illegally obtained weapons. They would have to turn right around and call the police anyway. (See 8 U.S. Code § 1357 - Powers of immigration officers and employees)

Third:
There's a growing movement by both Democrats and Republicans to abolish ice, (including members of ice) as a mismanaged over bloated arm of government with more responsibility than it can oversee and too little oversight.
Tacitly making ICE the middle man here when law officers should be handling the case directly won't help.

You do realize that the amendment does not specify ICE if background check fails don't you, it says law enforcement. In other words if someone fails a background check, law enforcement must look at ATF Form 4473. If the information on that form is falsified the person has committed a crime. And if it is an illegal alien that submitted form 4473 then they lied. Police inform ICE, illegal deported.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

You do realize that ICE is not concerned with citizens don't you.

No ****. Nothing in my pos suggested otherwise.

 

[Shad]

Seems that the Democrats rejected an amendment to H.R. 8 (The Bipartisan Background Checks Act of 2019) to alert law enforcement authorities when gun buyers, including illegal immigrants, fail those background checks.
Democrats reject push to alert ICE when illegal immigrants fail firearm background checks

Gotta protect the more likely or not new voter base.

 

[tytlyf]

So funny, illegals aren't going into stores to buy guns.

 

[Revoltingest]

There's a growing movement by both Democrats and Republicans to abolish ice, (including members of ice) as a mismanaged over bloated arm of government with more responsibility than it can oversee and too little oversight.
Tacitly making ICE the middle man here when law officers should be handling the case directly won't help.

If ICE is abolished, who would then handle illegal aliens?

 

[Shad]

If ICE is abolished, who would then handle illegal aliens?

The former services which were combined into ICE in 2002 would need to be rebuilt. All would still be under the control of POTUS, most likely staffed by former ICE and DHS employees, etc. More red tape, 2 more EOs than before and nothing really changes.

 

[Revoltingest]

The former services which were combined into ICE in 2002 would need to be rebuilt. All would still be under the control of POTUS.

A difference in name or structure?
How would things improve?
We already see sanctuary cities refusing to cooperate with ICE.
Would they change their tune for a different agency doing the same function?
Or would the function differ?

 

[Stanyon]

If ICE is abolished, who would then handle illegal aliens?

The Space Force Trump is wanting

 

[Revoltingest]

The Space Force Trump is wanting

Yours is the first answer I've gotten.
So it is best.

 

[Shad]

A difference in name or structure?

If using the old system it would be divided into Customs, Immigration and Naturalization and Federal Protective Services. ICE is the criminal and investigation branches of all 3 consolidated. I doubt the internal procedures would change as the laws haven't nor POTUS policy. There would be another layer of oversight and division of labour as each depart has specific directives of authority such as Customs with ports of entry or mail.

How would things improve?

I doubt it will. It is more red tape.

We already see sanctuary cities refusing to cooperate with ICE.

The problem would still exist. All 3 and ICE are still under executive authority.

Would they change their tune for a different agency doing the same function?

Maybe. It depends on the division of labour. If one department such as IaN has authority over deportation and investigation of illegals already present it can be hamstrung via a funding bill. If red tape is acceptable there is that as well. However as I said it really changes little.

Or would the function differ?

No. As per the above ICE or anything like it still serves a useful function and a necessary one. People just do not like the one running the "show"

 

[Revoltingest]

If using the old system it would be divided into Customs, Immigration and Naturalization and Federal Protective Services. ICE is the criminal and investigation branches of all 3 consolidated. I doubt the internal procedures would change as the laws haven't nor POTUS policy. There would be another layer of oversight and division of labour as each depart has specific directives of authority such as Customs with ports of entry or mail.



I doubt it will. It is more red tape.



The problem would still exist. All 3 and ICE are still under executive authority.



Maybe. It depends on the division of labour. If one department such as IaN has authority over deportation and investigation of illegals already present it can be hamstrung via a funding bill. If red tape is acceptable there is that as well. However as I said it really changes little.



No.

It seems like criticism of ICE is hollow.
The real objection might be to having any policing of illegals within the country.
This is consistent with offering public benefits to illegals.