Democrats are talking impeachment and jail for Trump

[youknowme]

The secret dossier about golden showers?
American politics are so tawdry.

I am sorry, but once again I fail to grasp your point.

 

[Audie]

I am sorry, but once again I fail to grasp your point.

Do you even know what I am talking about?

 

[youknowme]

Do you even know what I am talking about?

Yes, I just fail to see what your actual point is, please explain.

 

[sealchan]

While doing your search, see if you
find that some large percent
(Lincoln, GWB and Obama, for examples).
were found at the time to be the worst ever.
(by, you know, the other guys)


Your blue tsu, for good or bad isnt looking
like much so far.

They haven't had a chance to legislate yet...still I don't know what will pass in the Senate.

 

[Audie]

Impeachment of Bill Clinton was a political mistake. Likewise, impeachment of Trump would be a political mistake that'd politically energize Trump supporters like me as well as the rest of his political base.

Leave it to me, and Trump will get bored and quit.
Anyrhing. Just go away.

But yes, impeachment would be a bad move, and we
would all be sorry.

I wish the US had "vote of no confidence"!

 

[YmirGF]

Prease exprain about "tide turning"

A fresh breeze... Change in direction.... pendulum swinging back etc... usually against seemingly insurmountable odds.

 

[Audie]

Yes, I just fail to see what your actual point is, please explain.

Look at the last line of the post I answered,
about "help..hostile power".

Of course, if your baseless belief is that what
you said is actually what happened, never mind.

 

[Audie]

A fresh breeze... Change in direction.... pendulum swinging back etc... usually against seemingly insurmountable odds.

Sheesh, I understand the metagory.
I just dont see a basis for it.

 

[youknowme]

Look at the last line of the post I answered,
about "help..hostile power".

Of course, if your baseless belief is that what
you said is actually what happened, never mind.

I don't believe the supposed pee pee tape has anything to do with that. I am talking about the hacked emails and the pro-Trump troll farms. Which we know happened.

 

[Audie]

If you think trump was elected thanks to
help from hostile powers, be my guest.

It appears that Russia was out to create
division and chaos, an old old trick of theirs.
Seems to be working with you.

 

[youknowme]

If you think trump was elected thanks to
help from hostile powers, be my guest.

It appears that Russia was out to create
division and chaos, an old old trick of theirs.
Seems to be working with you.

I think it was very likely a significant factor; not the only factor but then I don't expect the outcome of an election to only have one explanatory variable. Are you suggesting it had zero impact?

 

[youknowme]

I may actually be able to do a hypothesis test of no impact vs impact from the Russia Troll farms. I'll give it some thought and if I find what I need I may check it out over the weekend.

 

[Revoltingest]

Leave it to me, and Trump will get bored and quit.
Anyrhing. Just go away.

But yes, impeachment would be a bad move, and we
would all be sorry.

I wish the US had "vote of no confidence"!

I don't think impeachment & conviction would be all that bad.
If it happens, I'd watch with interest.

 

[Audie]

I don't think impeachment & conviction would be all that bad.
If it happens, I'd watch with interest.

Whatever happened next would for sure be interesting.

As per, "may you live in..."

 

[Shad]

They told Mueller to wrap up the probe pretty soon so they could discuss weather to impeach or not but from they could tell of the report from Flynn and Cohen's case they have enough on Trump for impeachment and indictment from the illegal payments he made to the Porno stars.

Here is he link Top House Dems raise prospect of impeachment, jail for Trump

If Dems go forward this only shows how corrupt they are themselves. Obama was found guilty of campaign violation yet no word of impeachment nor jail time from the Dems. Their guy after all.

 

[sealchan]

Leave it to me, and Trump will get bored and quit.
Anyrhing. Just go away.

But yes, impeachment would be a bad move, and we
would all be sorry.

I wish the US had "vote of no confidence"!

It may not be that simple...there are indications that once Trump leaves office there will be criminal charges filed...

 

[Audie]

It may not be that simple...there are indications that once Trump leaves office there will be criminal charges filed...

Never said it was simple, but, really the thing about
impeachment and criminal and blah was going on on
both sides even before the election.

This kangaroo court of public opinion stuff is stupid.

 

[sealchan]

Never said it was simple, but, really the thing about
impeachment and criminal and blah was going on on
both sides even before the election.

This kangaroo court of public opinion stuff is stupid.

I've found that things which happen as if they were new are usually not new but for whatever systemic reasons came into being as such. Like rape not being a new crime but women now speaking out and believing that exposure is now worth it. What changed?

Like finding a government official guilty of a crime although it is understood that such shenanigans have been going on for a long time. What changed?

American politics is like a slow see-saw from Republican to Democratic preference going back and forth with public opinion, party platforms changed, etc...slow evolving over time. When some injustice or state of affairs reaches a peak those in a position to benefit typically do so.

In American politics, politicians take on symbolic meaning for constituents...their job qualifications become secondary. This president, perhaps, is demonstrably, uniquely unqualified and his election is demonstrably unique in the sense that he represents a statement against politics as such by a large number of Americans. Those Americans are, admittedly, xenophobic and less educated. But they are still Americans and they will have their say.

However, if we look even merely at Trump's management, public speaking, knowledge of the office and of history, ability to run an administration, moral character, etc...we can easily make a claim that he is probably on the low end of the spectrum of those who have served the office with knowledge, wisdom and the needs of the American people in mind.

I believe he is in office because so many Americans still buy into one or more narratives that blame people who are not white and/or Christian and/or male for causing this countries' problems. They believe what authorities on the right tell them although those same authorities speak irresponsibly without facts to backup what they say.

 

[YmirGF]

I believe he is in office because so many Americans still buy into one or more narratives that blame people who are not white and/or Christian and/or male for causing this countries' problems. They believe what authorities on the right tell them although those same authorities speak irresponsibly without facts to backup what they say.

You make them sound so vile that it's hard to imagine why they have not been outlawed before now.

 

[Audie]

I've found that things which happen as if they were new are usually not new but for whatever systemic reasons came into being as such. Like rape not being a new crime but women now speaking out and believing that exposure is now worth it. What changed?

Like finding a government official guilty of a crime although it is understood that such shenanigans have been going on for a long time. What changed?

American politics is like a slow see-saw from Republican to Democratic preference going back and forth with public opinion, party platforms changed, etc...slow evolving over time. When some injustice or state of affairs reaches a peak those in a position to benefit typically do so.

In American politics, politicians take on symbolic meaning for constituents...their job qualifications become secondary. This president, perhaps, is demonstrably, uniquely unqualified and his election is demonstrably unique in the sense that he represents a statement against politics as such by a large number of Americans. Those Americans are, admittedly, xenophobic and less educated. But they are still Americans and they will have their say.

However, if we look even merely at Trump's management, public speaking, knowledge of the office and of history, ability to run an administration, moral character, etc...we can easily make a claim that he is probably on the low end of the spectrum of those who have served the office with knowledge, wisdom and the needs of the American people in mind.

I believe he is in office because so many Americans still buy into one or more narratives that blame people who are not white and/or Christian and/or male for causing this countries' problems. They believe what authorities on the right tell them although those same authorities speak irresponsibly without facts to backup what they say.

I am sure there is a spectrum of reasons.

Those Americans are, admittedly, xenophobic and less educated.

Sometimes, and we have plenty of serious
racists and ill educated persons on the left.

Not to play whatabout though.

See, a more or less open border policy is not
about "race", as I see it.

I favour having agreed-to (which we have)
immigration laws, and, even handed
enforcement (which we do not have).

I'd not want an open door too all from
China, nor from Norway, or anywhere else.

I think favouring any such is crazy.

I favour a fair chance for all qualified
applicants, not just those whose fate put
them within walking distance of the border.
And whose character lets them jump the
line and flout the laws.

I'd guess a proper survey of all of those
you so classified would show that few were
against immigrants for racial reasons.

I think the main, widespread objection is
to the flow of line jumping scofflaws, who
knows who they are or what they are doing.
Allowing, encouraging that, is bonkers.

It is not about ignorant xenophobe vs
the educated and virtuous.

I THINK that we could have a national consensus
on immigration, IF we simply agreed to
follow the freakin' laws we have.