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Democratic POTUS

Discussion in 'Conservative Only' started by Nakosis, Sep 10, 2019.

  1. Watchmen

    Watchmen Well-Known Member
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    Kamala Harris? I hope you’re joking. She’s a California Dem. Almost as liberal as they come.
     
  2. Watchmen

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    Actually, he did win. The 2016 popular vote is irrelevant because the rules of the “game” don’t take it into consideration. Had the rules been “win by popular vote” then the candidates would have campaigned very differently and we don’t know who would have won.
     
  3. Watchmen

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    I like Gabbard. I don’t agree with her policies, but I think she’s a straight shooter and true to herself.
     
  4. Salvador

    Salvador RF's Swedenborgian

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    Andrew Yang is my favorite Democratic Presidential candidate. Within a few years, I'd favor federal spending of $2.2 trillion towards Universal Basic Income, ( $800 monthly U.B.I for every individual adult American citizen ) $2 trillion of Universal Medicare with some insured cost sharing, ( Universal Medicare w/combined $5,000 Part A and B deductible and 20 percent Part B insured co-insurance ) $1.3 trillion of Social Security, ( no change from status-quo on S.S. retirement benefits ) $900 billion towards defense, ( more spending on national defense, less spending on America being the world's policeman ) $500 billion on debt interest payments, and $400 billion on discretionary government spending. ( many targeted social welfare programs would be eliminated and replaced with U.B.I. ) In 2022, I'd like total federal annual spending to be ca. $7.3 trillion.

    In terms of federal taxes, I'd favor a simplified income tax system, just a few income tax brackets beginning in year 2022, zero percent on initial $13k of personal individual annual income, 12 percent on $13,001 to $63k of personal individual annual income, 32 percent on individual personal annual earnings in excess of $63k. Capital gains taxed at same rate as ordinary income. No tax credits, save for refundable $2k child tax credit. In 2022, this would result in total personal federal income taxes amounting to an estimated $2.4 trillion.

    I'd then favor an increase in the corporate income tax rate from 21 percent to 28 percent. In 2022, this would result in corporations paying U.S. corporate income taxes of ca. $400 billion

    I'd favor a doubling of the cap on social security taxes, so that all workers and employers would contribute 6.2 percent of social security taxes on every dollar of their earnings up to 300k of each individual wage earner's income . In 2022, this would mean Americans would pay ca. $1.5 trillion in payroll taxes.

    Beginning in 2022, I'd favor the implementation of a 10 percent federal Value Added Tax. This would result in ca. $1.1 trillion of federal taxation on America's total annual personal consumption.

    I'd favor excise taxes on fuel, tobacco, cannabis, alcohol, air travel, Amtrak, national park and museum admission fees collectively adding up to ca. $300 billion in 2022.

    I figure other federal taxes, besides income taxes, V.A.T. and excise taxes, I'd favor in 2022, like Medicare D premiums, estate taxes, financial transaction taxes ( remittance taxes and stock/bond trade taxes), and tariffs would generate ca. an additional $200 billion.

    All the above proposed taxes for 2022, would add up to ca. $5.9 trillion.

    The above proposed federal spending of $7.3 trillion and $5.9 trillion of federal taxes would result in an annual federal deficit of ca. $1.4 trillion in 2022. A level Universal Basic Income benefit for 3 years prior to inflation indexing of this benefit would result in the annual federal budget deficit of being ca. $1.3 trillion in 2023, and somewhere around $1.2 trillion in 2024..

    I'd like q universal $800 monthly universal basic income along with universal Medicare health insurance coverage being funded with a 10 percent Value added tax along with personal income taxes, medicare payroll taxes, and Medicare D premiums.

    I'd like seeing Social security being well funded with social security payroll taxes.

    I'd favor national defense spending being funded with corporate income taxes, estate taxes, financial transaction taxes ( i.e.-remittance taxes and stock/bond trade taxes), and tariffs.

    I'd like discretionary spending being funded with federal excise taxes.




     
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  5. Epic Beard Man

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    Few things about your source, one, The following is said of The Washington Examiner:

    "The Examiner has been described as and is widely regarded as conservative. When Anschutz first started the Examiner in its daily newspaper format, he envisioned creating a competitor to The Washington Post with a conservative editorial line."

    Source

    With that being said I cannot depend on an objective presentation of fact with regards to Bernie praising "communist Cuba."

    Let's unpack this issue shall we......

    In your source:

    "In 1989, Sanders effusively praised the "Cuban revolution" in a public statement from the mayor's office.

    "For better or for worse, the Cuban revolution is a very profound and very deep revolution. Much deeper than I had understood," Sanders wrote. "More interesting than their providing their people with free health care, free education, free housing ... is that they are in fact creating a very different value system than the one we are familiar with."

    Now according to the Examiner's counterpart The Washington Post, Sanders lauded the Cuban government for what he sees as "the benefits of a communist Cuba -- universal health care which eats up less than 10 percent of the nation's GDP, a 99.8 percent literacy rate and free higher education -- and the reality of how the Castro regime has maintained power." This is something aligned with what Sanders believes as a Democratic Socialist already.

    Furthermore, according to the Washington Post, "Sanders joined the Young People's Socialist League in college, honeymooned in the Soviet Union and spoke at a Sandinista government anniversary celebration in the 1980s. Looking at the then and now, most Americans want to establish diplomatic relations with Cuba and to end the embargo. I don't see much of a to do with what Bernie said then and what he believes now. But Sanders is very much clear in his belief that he is against authoritarian governments.

    Washington Post
     
  6. Nakosis

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    Why I suggest searching on your own. Plenty of sources.

    Ok, a non-authoritarian commie. :D
     
  7. Epic Beard Man

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    I've already found several. We've unpacked it and basically what Bernie said was decades ago. Bernie was a radical nothing new there but his core beliefs concerning free education, healthcare something Cuba offered is still the same.
     
  8. Epic Beard Man

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    Not necessarily "as liberal as they come." She's a pro-establishment Democrat
     
  9. Nowhere Man

    Nowhere Man Bompu Zen Man with a little bit of Bushido.

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    You know that's about the only thing I'm not on board with is what's going on with the religious right.
     
  10. shunyadragon

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    Both of these sources have weaknesses in the reality, and your examples represent unrealistic extreme selective quotes and interpretations.
     
  11. wellwisher

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    The biggest problem the Democrats now face is connected to their total lack of credibility. The Democrats ran a collusion delusion scam for over two years. Once it was disproven, they never apologized to Trump or to the country, for misleading everyone and for wasting so much time through foot dragging and legal obstruction.

    Had the Democrat party sincerely believed that Trump was a Russian agent and had they sincerely believed that they were doing good for the country by fighting back, once the facts did not add up; Mueller Report, any honest person would have been embarrassed and would have felt bad about all their false accusations. Yet, there was no apology and so sense of needing to make this right. Instead, a new scam was started immediately. Everyone who was honest saw the con men scramble and double down.

    The Democrat party screwed itself by showing they were scamming from day one, without any apology. They purposely scammed even honest people into believing in them, including some Republicans. So the question becomes what other scams are they trying to pull through their current batch of candidates, none of whom ever apologized for bearing false witness? Why should we believe anything from con artists without any conscience? These scammer even went after Trump's family and has no regrets.

    It is not too late to apologize and condemn the con artist leaders of the Democrat party, and its propaganda wing called the main stream media. If not, this will come back to bite the Democrats parry. Most of the country do not worship Satan, as do these con artists. This is the last warning. This is the point of no return.
     
  12. Shad

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    Tulsi. About all the Dems have to offer in my view.
     
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  13. columbus

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    That's rather how I see it.

    Sanders? Seriously? He couldn't even win the democrats.

    But it's awhile before closer inspection is worth the effort.
    Tom
     
  14. Watchmen

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    That’s why I said “almost as.”
     
  15. Watchmen

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    Agreed. Too bad she’s not from Iowa or New Hampshire instead of Hawaii.
     
  16. Shad

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    I look further back than that. He didn't hold a steady job until 44. Spouted communist babble for decades. Makes typical wild claims that his plans will pay for themselves as if any government plan stays on budget (hahahaha). Has a hatred of the 1% until he become one then make it about those with more wealth than himself. I think he is self-righteous thus would be willing to fight wars in order to separate his morality around. Tulsi I do not think is like that.
     
  17. Shad

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    Yah she does not have the "name power" other candidates have. Yet she has done more in 2 decades than most politicians will do in a life-time. In my view she needs to hammer her veteran status as a draw for moderate GOP. She is the only one in the field that has any credibility regarding the military. Trump talks, she walks the walk so to speak. Biden the black mark of Libya and Syria. No one else has anything to offer.
     
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