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Featured Deity sends you to Hell, or do you choose?

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by Desert Snake, Jul 21, 2018.

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  1. Desert Snake

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    No, I believe that you get the god you choose. For many, thats a version of 'satan'.


    • Who is satan?
    • Hahahahaha
    • Why do they never ask that question?
    • Because they arent satanists. Neither do they even worship demons to any affect. Your place in hell is going to really really not be good.
    • your choice. The individuals choice,
    • HEAVEN OR HELL.
     
  2. ERLOS

    ERLOS God Feeds the Ravens

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    It's making it a bit tough for people to insist they have to believe every word in the Bible as inerrant truth -- deny the reality of geology and cosmology -- or else they have to burn.

    I think they offered the choice to Gallileo. For saying the earth goes round the sun? He recanted, of course, who wouldn't? But still the earth goes round the sun?

    Matthew 12:26-32

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    We are deciding who we are by the choices we make every day in our lives. If anything of us survives beyond death, we will then be "stuck with it". So that if our after-life existence becomes some sort of metaphysical hell, it will be because we created it and then carried it into the after-life with us.
     
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    Everyone goes to hell, but some are comforted. Abraham died old and satisfied by his years. Maybe you can, too.
     
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    Earthling David Henson

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    Hell is a pagan teaching and unscriptural. Why not look at the Hebrew word Sheol, and the Greek words Hades, Tartarus and Gehenna. (transliterations) As well as Ezekiel 18:4 and Romans 6:7.
     
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    Its not a choice. Its a pure ultimatum and coersion. Choices can be unhealthy; but, the origin would not depend on someone else but oneself. We suffer or benefit from our own decisions.

    Also, the reality is our choices affect us in this life not the next.
     
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    Suppose that Tony Soprano says that you have to 'donate' to his 'charity' or he will put you in a cellar and let his minions torture you for the rest of your life.

    Would you consider it a 'free' choice on whether to 'donate' to his 'charity'?

    I mean, sure, you have a 'choice', right?

    But, could Tony Soprano give you such a choice and still be an 'exemplary moral person'? No way.
     
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    An agnostic friend of mine said to an evangelical who was talking to him about this subject: "It doesn't sound like a choice. It sounds like a lack of options."
     
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    Deuteronomy 32:22

    KJ21
    For a fire is kindled in Mine anger, and shall burn unto the lowest hell, and shall consume the earth with her increase, and set on fire the foundations of the mountains.

    BRG
    For a fire is kindled in mine anger, and shall burn unto the lowest hell, and shall consume the earth with her increase, and set on fire the foundations of the mountains.

    DRA
    A fire is kindled in my wrath, and shall burn even to the lowest hell: and shall devour the earth with her increase, and shall burn the foundations of the mountains.

    GNV
    For fire is kindled in my wrath, and shall burn unto the bottom of hell, and shall consume the earth with her increase, and set on fire the foundations of the mountains.

    GW
    My anger has started a fire that will burn to the depths of hell. It will consume the earth and its crops and set the foundations of the mountains on fire.

    KJV
    For a fire is kindled in mine anger, and shall burn unto the lowest hell, and shall consume the earth with her increase, and set on fire the foundations of the mountains.

    AKJV
    For a fire is kindled in mine anger, and shall burn unto the lowest hell, and shall consume the earth with her increase, and set on fire the foundations of the mountains.

    NKJV
    For a fire is kindled in My anger, And shall burn to the lowest hell; It shall consume the earth with her increase, And set on fire the foundations of the mountains.

    WYC
    Fire is kindled in my strong vengeance, and it shall burn unto the last things of hell; and it shall devour the land with his fruit, and it shall burn the foundaments of hills (and it shall devour the land with its fruit, and it shall burn the very roots, or the foundations, of the mountains).

    Thing is, it doesn't matter what you believe an old source term is meant to say. What matters is what those scholars and interpreters who put the various Bible versions together say it says. Now, for some reason you seem to believe you know better than they do, which is fine. A lot of people are filled with such "humility," but the fact remains most people are going to defer to those with academic credentials. So I guess you can complain all you want about what you deem to be mistranslations and such, and try selling it to everyone here, but my advice is not to expect much, unless, that is, you simply enjoy stirring the pot. ;)

     
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    The Hebrew word there translated hell, is Sheol, the corresponding Greek word, as translated in the Septuagint, Hades. Have I not posted an article on Hell here? I know I have but I don't know where it's at.

    Sheol is the common grave.

    "Sheol was located somewhere 'under' the earth . . . . The state of the dead was one of neither pain nor pleasure. Neither reward for the righteous nor punishment for the wicked was associated with Sheol. The good and bad alike, tyrants and saints, kings and orphans, Israelites and gentiles - all slept together without awareness of one another." - Encyclopaedia Britannica (1971, Volume 11, page 276)

    "Hades . . . it corresponds to 'Sheol' in the O.T. and N.T., it has been unhappily rendered 'hell' " - Vine's Expository Dictionary of Old and New Testament Words (1981, Volume 2 page 187)

    "First it (Hell) stands for the Hebrew Sheol of the Old Testament and the Greek Hades of the Septuagint and New Testament . Since Sheol in Old Testament times referred simply to the abode of the dead and suggested no moral distinctions, the word 'hell,' as understood today, is not a happy translation." - Collier's Encyclopedia (1986, Volume 12, page 2.)

    "Much Confusion and misunderstanding has been caused through the early translators of the Bible persistently rendering the Hebrew Sheol and the Greek Hades and Gehenna by the word hell. The simple transliteration of these words by the translators of the revised editions of the Bible has not sufficed to appreciably clear up this confusion and misconception." - The Encyclopedia Americana (1956, Volume XIV, page 81)

    "The word ( Sheol ) occurs often in the Psalms and in the book of Job to refer to the place to which all dead people go. It is represented as a dark place, in which there is no activity worthy of the name. There are no moral distinctions there, so 'hell' ( KJV ) is not a suitable translation, since that suggests a contrast with 'heaven' as the dwelling-place of the righteous after death. In a sense, 'the grave' in a generic sense is a near equivalent, except that Sheol is more a mass grave in which all the dead dwell together . . . . The use of this particular imagery may have been considered suitable here [in Jonah 2:2] in view of Jonah's imprisonment in the interior of the fish." - A Translators Handbook on the Book of Jonah, Brynmor F. Price and Eugene A. Nida, 1978, page 37
     
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    I haven't the faintest idea.

    You probably missed the brief addition I made to my post, which starts with "Thing is . . . " I invite you to take a look.

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    They are Scriptural. So, what you are saying is that you don't believe the Scripture, because you consider it pagan.

    So what? What does that have to do with Scripture, or the way I read Scripture?
     
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    Gehenna isn't Greek, and the 'other Hells', are in the Scripture.
     
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    If one were to believe every word in the Bible as inerrant truth, they would have to believe Ecclesiastes 9: 5; which states "The living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing,". and verse 16, as follows; "Work hard at whatever you do, because there will be no action, no thought, no knowledge, no wisdom in the world of the dead-----and that is where you are going."
     
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    I think I need the English translation of that.

    Anyways I would surmise that Hell has got to have an end somewhere. ;0)
     
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    ERLOS God Feeds the Ravens

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    It's irrelevant because there is no time or space beyond this dimension of Nature in which we live as physical embodied beings?
     
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    Thats a part of life. The best way to deal with it is understand, act, and die with a smile. No return. Comfortable with not waking up for eternity. How many people understand death? Trying to live forever sounds like denial. Of course we want to be happy but dont mistake that for eternal life.
     
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    That's more like 'your problem'.

    Not mine.

    I don't share your beliefs, or lack thereof.
     
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    Its not a problem. Its a fact. Whether you believe it or not is on you.
     
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