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Debate about Heaven

Voting options on Heaven

  • I am voting for option D

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  • I am voting for option E

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  • Total voters
    33

Green Gaia

Veteran Member
I do not believe in places of reward or punishment that one goes to after we die. So, I voted, non-belief in heaven. However, I am still unsure about the existence of some kind of afterlife.
 
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angellous_evangellous

Guest
robtex said:
A person in my atheist email group posted this link:

http://abcnews.go.com/2020/Beliefs/story?id=1422658

Putting it into the constraints of this poll the questions are rewords as such

a) Non-belief in heaven
b) Belief in heaven and you will go to heaven. Heaven is a physical place
c) Belief in heaven and you will go to heaven. Heaven is a spirtual place only
d) Belief in heaven and you will not go to heaven. Heaven is a physical place
e) Belief in heaven you will not go there. Heaven is a spirtual place only

Of the three questions were asked in which are in the poll.

1) Is there a heaven, and if so why do you percieve there to be one? If not why not?

2) If you percieve one to exist did you vote that you will go? and Why or why not?

3) If you percieve of heaven to exist is a physical or spirtual only and why do you feel the way you do?
I hope that there is a heaven and I don't know if I will go there.
 

Danny

New Member
I believe after death life is recreated. So if you're death your spirit lives further forever. A paradise appears. Your place on earth becomes your place in heaven.
 

MysticSang'ha

Big Squishy Hugger
Premium Member
I can't predict where I will go after I die, although I do believe in a "heaven" kind of realm where the gods reside. If one believes that this earth plane is what constitutes physicality, then the heaven realm is a spiritual place because it exists on a different plane. That is what my definition is.



I also believe that "heaven" and "hell" are experienced here in our minds.........so that just like the emotions that make up "heaven" and "hell" are temporary, residence within these realms are temporary, too. :)





I believe that the hope to go to the type of "heaven" were one is lavished with gifts, beauty, food, wine and angelic choirs is unfortunately one of the ways we egoistically grasp at pleasure, hoping that it will last forever. I believe that the only timeless state of being is our buddha-nature, which we humans have the opportunity to realize. I might be incarnated into the "heaven" realm after this life, but I would then be removed from suffering (within myself and within others), and therefore I might cease to care after a while. I find this to be an unfortunate circumstance.




Nice thread! I'm enjoying reading everyone's responses! :clap




Peace,
Mystic
 

c0da

Active Member
I put put A, because 'heaven' has connotations of this beautiful place were everybody is ecstaticly happy and the thought of that breeds desires that hold us to the world of suffering.
 

Maxist

Active Member
Heavan is neither physical or spiritual, Heavan is a mental place. There is no real Heavan, it is nonexistant because there can be none.
 

s2a

Heretic and part-time (skinny) Santa impersonator
robtex said:
Of the three questions were asked in which are in the poll.

1) Is there a heaven, and if so why do you percieve there to be one? If not why not?

2) If you percieve one to exist did you vote that you will go? and Why or why not?

3) If you percieve of heaven to exist is a physical or spirtual only and why do you feel the way you do?

1) The concept of Heaven exists because people choose to believe Heaven exists ("Faith", as defined in Eaton's BIble Dictionary: "Faith is in general the persuasion of the mind that a certain statement is true". I do not accept the claim(s) of a spiritual "Heaven" as true because there is no compelling empirical evidence that suggests it's existence in fact (beyond a reasonable doubt). I have no faith in the claim of Heaven, therefore I can not simply persuade myself to believe it into existence.

2) N/A

3) My perceptions are irrelevant to the question, but the Christian Heaven (as vaguely hinted at in Scripture) certainly presents itself as a physical realm of existence (of some sort). If not, then why would Scripture allude to physical items/places like - "a prepared house" (John 14:2); (a somewhere) to "...take their places at the feast with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven" (Matthew 8:11)

One could argue that such descriptions are purely allegorical/metaphorical, and not meant to be construed literally, but then...that's kinda the problem with "interpretations" and perceptions of "what the Bible says", isn't it?

I just find it odd that so many people will choose to believe in - and earnestly desire to wind up in - a place they've never seen, of which they know practically nothing about. I wouldn't move to a free house in "paradise" (say, Hawaii) without at least getting a look around the place first, no matter what promises were made beforehand abou how "perfect" it was (and having to worship the landlord - just to live there - seems a tad excessive to me).

"If it sounds to good to be true..."

Caveat Emptor.
 
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