1. Welcome to Religious Forums, a friendly forum to discuss all religions in a friendly surrounding.

    Your voice is missing! You will need to register to get access to the following site features:
    • Reply to discussions and create your own threads.
    • Our modern chat room. No add-ons or extensions required, just login and start chatting!
    • Access to private conversations with other members.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon!

Featured Death is proof that God exists

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by KingTruth, Feb 9, 2019.

  1. Twilight Hue

    Twilight Hue Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.

    Joined:
    Mar 7, 2009
    Messages:
    40,282
    Ratings:
    +17,557
    Religion:
    Philosophical Buddhism
    Too bad that isn't reality. Anyways death fufills a vital and necessary role in the universe. It would be horrendous if that's ever stopped and everything went static.
     
  2. Twilight Hue

    Twilight Hue Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.

    Joined:
    Mar 7, 2009
    Messages:
    40,282
    Ratings:
    +17,557
    Religion:
    Philosophical Buddhism
    Even the 'immortal' jellyfish's days are numbered.
     
  3. Shadow Wolf

    Shadow Wolf Rival's Wife

    Joined:
    Apr 11, 2005
    Messages:
    80,217
    Ratings:
    +34,095
    Religion:
    God is in the Rain
    As the Good Doctor says, everything dies.
     
  4. Bird123

    Bird123 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 20, 2010
    Messages:
    2,676
    Ratings:
    +596


    Clearly, you are confused as they come. You do not look through Loving eyes. You see evil everywhere ignoring any goodness. Do you fear death so much and see death as something evil so badly that you need to Blame others for it? Could Death be a good thing instead?

    You see that it is all about good and evil. What if I told you good and evil has nothing to do with it? Further, If God created everything, that surely includes evil. Could evil be a good thing as well? Widen your view. It's all there.

    How about this? Life is the education of God's children. This world is a multilevel classroom. We learn through the parameters of our lives, our interactions with others, and from the results of our choices. When one acquires enough knowledge through living our lessons, our intelligence will make the best choices.

    Since this is a multilevel classroom, one can see others learning lessons we have already learned. Isn't it no more than Hate if we condemn others as evil in their process of learning what evil really is?

    More is learned through bad choices than almost any other thing. If bad choices never existed, how could one discover what the good choices were. Since evil or bad choices must be part of the equation, doesn't that make part of evil a good choice? Instead of hating or condemning, one should point them in the right direction in order to see for themselves the good answers exist as well.

    When times are good, we sit back and enjoy the ride. When adversity hits, we have to think, study, analyze, plan, experiment and work toward resolution. Knowledge and wisdom are gained on that journey to resolution.

    People tend to take adversity personally. When they hurt, they close themselves off from the hurt. Given enough time learning becomes slowed or impossible. This is the real reason for death. Death is no more than a Change. When in school, you do not use the same book through all levels. Change is important. Change can be a Good thing.

    Between lives, God will show you that it has never ever been about punishment, judging, blaming, or condemning. God is above these petty things. Mankind has not advanced beyond this yet. Very few people have.

    Everything has a place. Everything has been figured out ahead of time. Even the Fear of Death is important. It prevents one from running away from the lessons they must learn.

    This is how I am seeing things. The good news is that everyone will make it. Everyone will learn. Perhaps, it's time to stop judging, condemning, blaming, and hating others and start helping others move forward.

    Mankind and this school progress slowly. As students learn and leave, a new set of students arrive with lessons of their own to learn. Only when all the lessons are learned will one choose and create the peace and utopia that is within us all.
     
    • Like Like x 1
  5. Shadow Wolf

    Shadow Wolf Rival's Wife

    Joined:
    Apr 11, 2005
    Messages:
    80,217
    Ratings:
    +34,095
    Religion:
    God is in the Rain
    Too bad those views didn't take hold.
     
  6. Tiberius

    Tiberius Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 19, 2006
    Messages:
    4,931
    Ratings:
    +1,318
    Religion:
    Atheist
    The fact I can delete computer files off my hard drive is proof that Silicon Heaven is a real place.
     
    • Like Like x 1
  7. blü 2

    blü 2 Well-Known Member
    Premium Member

    Joined:
    Jul 10, 2017
    Messages:
    9,708
    Ratings:
    +6,175
    Religion:
    Skeptical
    As I said before, the Tanakh tells us God ordered invasive wars, massacres, mass rapes, human sacrifices, slavery and so on. I find those things repulsive. How do they sit with your morality?
    What definition of "good" are you using here?

    And what is this connection you assert between being 'truly good' according to your definition, and 'ultimate power and ability'? Business at this very moment has its full share of very powerful, very able sociopaths, for example.
     
  8. Stevicus

    Stevicus Veteran Member
    Premium Member

    Joined:
    Sep 26, 2011
    Messages:
    23,376
    Ratings:
    +15,102
    Religion:
    Agnostic
    Could be. I think "good" is what most people try to project. Even those who are "evil" try to justify themselves and present themselves as "good" - or at least the lesser of two evils. Everyone either wants to be "good" or pass off the image of being "good."
     
    • Like Like x 1
  9. Stevicus

    Stevicus Veteran Member
    Premium Member

    Joined:
    Sep 26, 2011
    Messages:
    23,376
    Ratings:
    +15,102
    Religion:
    Agnostic
    Well, it wouldn't stay a filthy rotten corpse forever.

    Even if humans are not good, that, in and of itself, doesn't prove that God exists. But that aside, it would not prove that God is "good" nor even that "good" is superior to "evil." For all anyone knows, "God" could be an amoral scientist and humans are nothing more than an experiment. Perhaps there are some extradimensional beings who see humans as a sadistic form of entertainment. Who can say for certain?

    You believe that God created humans? Why would God create anything so filthy and rotten and evil? Just to kill it off slowly for being evil? What's the point? Theoretically, an all-powerful God could vanquish anything he wants, whether good or evil.
     
  10. Brickjectivity

    Brickjectivity ✔ a-OK RF member .99/lb
    Staff Member Premium Member

    Joined:
    Dec 8, 2012
    Messages:
    34,298
    Ratings:
    +14,790
    Religion:
    liber-scripta grim Christian
    Which surprisingly does result in a lot of good being done.
     
Loading...