leibowde84
Veteran Member
I don't know what you mean by "coincidence", but it certainly wasn't planned or designed into our species. Organic organisms die due, at the very least, to cell degeneration. Simple as that.
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Death and Evolution
- Thread starter FearGod
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leibowde84
Veteran Member
If, magically, we never died, we wouldn't exist. We would run out of food after a few generations.
FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
Death is a natural phenomenon but it doesn't mean that it was shaped by nature,
the death is a must otherwise no one could survive due to the lack of resources,
nature won't understand what is good and what is bad for the future of earth, death
is planned from the beginning and it's a good plan rather than thinking of it as "just happened to be so",
see for example how dogs die in very early ages, and still it's natural for dogs, whereas humans can
live to around 100 years and it's natural for humans, whereas turtles never get old and they die
by a disease or by an accident and that's still nature.
leibowde84
Veteran Member
Why do you think that the fact that different species have different life spans points to it being designed?
FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
And why do you think they have such different life spans, why for example the turtle
never get old, since you believe that it's natural for cells to degenerate, then why it
doesn't happen with turtles?
leibowde84
Veteran Member
That simply isn't true. Turtles most definitely age. Their lifespan is long, but it's not like they would life forever if they weren't killed by something external. A turtle that is completely healthy and is never killed by outside forces like predators, weather, etc. will certainly still die from old age just like all other animals (including humans).
Actually, that is exactly what it means.
True enough. It does not follow that it was "planned".
Nature, to a very large extent, defines what is good or bad for the future of Earth.
More specifically, the boundaries imposed by nature for the consequences of our actions define a lot of morality.
Sorry, but this claim of yours is neither well connected to reality nor logically consistent with itself.
No idea of what meaning you see in that. If anything, it hints at a lack of intentional design.
FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
But some others believe it to be true.
http://io9.gizmodo.com/5618046/the-...never-grow-old---and-how-we-can-learn-from-it
leibowde84
Veteran Member
"Non-aging" animals ("negligible senescence" animals) still, inevitably, die. Turtles, for example, still age. They just age incredibly slowly.
"Turtles, for example, were once thought to lack senescence, but more extensive observations have found evidence of decreasing fitness with age.[1]"
From: Warner, Daniel A.; Miller, David A. W.; Bronikowski, Anne M.; Janzen, Fredric J. (2016-06-07). "Decades of field data reveal that turtles senesce in the wild". Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences. 113(23): 6502–6507. ISSN 0027-8424. PMC 4988574
FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
Your scenario of not bringing new ones will also end life on earth, fighting and wars by itself
will put limits to humans from the beginning, also if the purpose is testing the number of
souls then how could we know what these numbers are?
FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
"Non-aging" animals ("negligible senescence" animals) still, inevitably, die. Turtles, for example, still age. They just age incredibly slowly.
"Turtles, for example, were once thought to lack senescence, but more extensive observations have found evidence of decreasing fitness with age.[1]"
From: Warner, Daniel A.; Miller, David A. W.; Bronikowski, Anne M.; Janzen, Fredric J. (2016-06-07). "Decades of field data reveal that turtles senesce in the wild". Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences. 113(23): 6502–6507. ISSN 0027-8424. PMC 4988574. PMID 27140634. doi:10.1073/pnas.1600035113.
And what do you think of the jellyfish and do you think that immortality is biologically impossible?
Are you truly proposing that there is such a purpose?
FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
It could be one among others, how could we know?
McBell
Resident Sourpuss
Name a biological immortal
McBell
Resident Sourpuss
You do understand that this also works just as effectively against your claim, right?
I guess we could not.
A situation that sure reminds me of Russell's Teapot.
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Russell's_Teapot
FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
Except that the creator is giving us signs, not only a claim.
That may be what you believe, but it is by no means a fact.
FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
Prophecies and some other facts can't be ignored, it isn't just that God is in heaven,
but there are signs that such thing is a reality and not a myth.
Ignored? Frankly, most of the time I don't even remember their existence. So-called prophecies are unconvincing at best.