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Discussion in 'General Debates' started by Scuba Pete, May 3, 2005.

  1. Scuba Pete

    Scuba Pete Le plongeur avec attitude...

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    the Bible "implies" that the earth is flat thread.

    Mr DC85 has indicated that since I don't believe this that I must NOT read my Bible. I supplied to him Isaiah 40:22 and am patiently waiting for those scriptures that "imply" that the earth is flat.
     
  2. Cr0wley

    Cr0wley More Human Than Human

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    "[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] It is he who is seated over the arch of the earth, and the people in it are as small as locusts; by him the heavens are stretched out like an arch, and made ready like a tent for a living-place.[/font][font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]" - Bible in Basic English version

    [/font]Eh? I don't see what this verse is supposed to prove...
     
  3. Scuba Pete

    Scuba Pete Le plongeur avec attitude...

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    Oh yeah... and when you DON'T find those scriptures that imply that the earth is flat, I will still be willing to accept that apology. :D I actually earned it when I provided the scripture that I did, but am willing to wait while you research your contention.
     
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    Cr0wley More Human Than Human

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    http://www.answering-christianity.com/earth_flat.htm
     
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    CrOwley,

    I've looked up the link you gave; to be frank, I think it is a deliberate but inept attempt to use commonly used phrases to prove a point. Interpreting 'the four corners of the earth' as proof that the writer thought the earth was square is balderdash - I often hear people using that expression in conversation - and they sure don't belive the earth to be flat.;)
     
  6. Cr0wley

    Cr0wley More Human Than Human

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    Hey, I think the dude who wrote is excessively bias, it's just that NetDoc said "Oh yeah... and when you DON'T find those scriptures that imply that the earth is flat" and I just thought that I could show him that I could find them :D
     
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  8. Scuba Pete

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    Mr C...

    The original contention was that the Bible "implied" that the earth was flat as a pancake "many, many times", and that since I contended that the bible STATED things differently that I must either pick and choose WHAT I believe from the scriptures (an insult) or that simply do not read (ergo "know") the scriptures (which is another condescension).

    I have seen this verse rendered as "sphere", "circle" and now as "arch". None of these renditions seem to imply "flat as a pancake", but rather the exact opposite.

    BTW, since the Bible has implied that the earth is "flat as a pancake, many, many times" then it should be easy, easy to find at least half a dozen of these implications. That is, IF they exist.
     
  9. CaptainXeroid

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    I have to assume that the person who strongly believes that the Bible implies the earth is flat put forth what he felt were the strongest and most convincing scriptures. After reading those, the only thing I have to say is :tsk::biglaugh:

    If all he's got is a few passages that refer to ...the ends of the earth... and ...the four corners of the earth..., then IMHO, he simply has no point...just Rubbish.:D
     
  10. Scuba Pete

    Scuba Pete Le plongeur avec attitude...

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    Mr C,

    It's great that you have found such an extremist site to bolster the misconceptions. It proves what I said in the other thread... those that wish to prove that the Bible says the "earth is flat" have another agenda other than the truth.
     
  11. Jayhawker Soule

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    I would not be so enamoured with 40:22 as prooftext if I were you.
     
  12. Scuba Pete

    Scuba Pete Le plongeur avec attitude...

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    Enamoured, Schnamored. While it's cool to read what the Summerian's believed, the contention was that there are many, many scriptures that imply that the earth is flat. Other than the "four corner" I don't see any such implications. There only 3 passages that I found using "four corners" in conjunction with land or earth.

    Ezekial 7:2 "Son of man, this is what the Sovereign LORD says to the land of Israel: The end! The end has come upon the four corners of the land.

    Here it is refering to the land of Israel and not the entire earth.

    They other two are in Revelations, and the Greek means both corner and quarter. The latter makes more sense to me, but I am totaly lost when it comes to Revelations. I haven't a clue until such time as the Lord guides me into the knowledge it contains.
     
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    Given Sumerian/Babylonian influence in the region, it's also informative. As for references to the 4 corners of the land/earth, I assume it's idiomatic.
     
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    Genesis provides the first(of many) clues that the earth is flat The order of things being created makes no sense from the current perspective but is perfectly logical from a flat-earth point of view.

    A flat earth is required for verses like Daniel 4:10-11 to be true

    I can get you much more but we will start with this. (This is not the first time I argued this)
     
  15. Jayhawker Soule

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    Oy vey! What the hell does "for verses like Daniel 4:10-11 to be true" mean? The author is talking about a dream.
     
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    Which was shown to him by God. I have more I am fully aware of this
     
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    One dream is not yet a "many, many". Just waiting for this legion of verses that "imply" the flat as a pancake earth.
     
  18. DC85

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    Sorry I do not have an NIV on hand right now so I guess I will need to use King James.... I also have the new Catholic Bible and a Quran if you want. (I have almost every version just not with me now)

    Job 11:9*The measure thereof is longer than the earth, and broader than the sea.

    Job 28:24*For he looketh to the ends of the earth, and seeth under the whole heaven

    Job 37:3*He directeth it under the whole heaven, and his lightning unto the ends of the earth.

    Psalm 19:4*Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them hath he set a tabernacle for the sun,

    fingers and eyes getting tired... will post more later (small print in this thing)
     
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    Somehow, I miss the "implication" for flat. The word for end is also the word for boundary.
     
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    NetDoc,
    Did you completely ignore this post earlier today?
    (#46 http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/showthread.php?p=153168#post153168)

    The rendering of "sphere" [Is. 40.22] is obviously influenced by modern science. The circle is part of the ancient Hebrew cosmology, wheras the teaching of the earth as a sphere is not.

    From the Anchor Bible Dictionary:
    “On the whole, Israel shared the world view of the ancient Near East. The earth was perceived as a flat expanse, seen either in the image of a disk or circle upon the primeval waters (Isa 40.22; Job 26.10; Prov 8.27; cf. ‘circle of the heavens’. Job 22.14) or of an outstretched garment spanning the void (Job 26.7; 38.13)."

    My source is:
    http://sol.sci.uop.edu/~jfalward/Th...redUniverse.htm

    And the source has extended references to other Bible dictionaries that align with almost any OT commentary that you will find in the library. That the ancient Hebrews had a flat earth cosmology is well established in OT survey.
     
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