Davidic King/Mashiahh according to Torath Mosheh Sources

[Ehav4Ever]

In another thread the question was asked about Judaism's concept of "messiah." In this thread I will only be presenting what Torath Mosheh sources state on the matter of a future Dadivic king/leader who is espected to lead according to Torath Mosheh.

Note: This information only covers what can be called Torath Mosheh and Orthodox Judaism. I.e. sources that are derived from ancient Torath Mosheh sources prior to about 500 years ago found among/are common to/agreed upon by Mizrahi Jews, Sephardic Jews, Maghrebi Jews, Yemenite Jews, Hasidic Jews, Orthodox Jews, Untra-Orthodox Jews, Litvik Jews, and Hereidi Jews.

Please Note: Anything that doesn't fall into these categories are not a part of this analysis.

Thus, the common concepts in all the above groups has historically been.

1. Jews living in Israel, as a whole, desire to return to the Torah as it was given at Mount Sinai. (Torah - written and oral)
   • Similar to what the Torah states was happening among Israelis in Egypt before Hashem approached Mosheh ben-Amram (Moses) to return and lead the way.
   • Some sources say that this may happen one of two ways. a) Jews living in Israel choose to return to ancient Jewish/Torah based practice/culture/text or b) Jews living in Israel find themselves with their backs completely against the wall w/o any other alternative and they desire to return to the Torah due to the inability to escape the situation by any other means.
2. A proven (נביא) prophet in the Jewish community receives something from Hashem that a particular Jewish man is the leader that Hashem has chosen. (Hashem will of course only pick someone who is proven to be an actual paternal descendeant of King David through Solomon.)
   • BTW - there are Jews today living in Israel from various communities who have families that reach back to King David through Solomon.)
3. A standing Mosaic Court/Sanhedrin is able to clarify the person is fit to be king as specified above.
   • Somewhere between the prophet and the Mosaic court an anointing with oil can happen. Thus, at this point the person is considered a Davidic King (The anointing with oil has a specific reason behind it, but it is a long explaination.)
4. Said proven halakhically Jewish Davidic descendent, who based on point 2 and 3, will receive prophecy from Hashem of what it is he is to do.
   • Just below the level that Mosheh ben-Amram (Moses) had.
   • Probably on a level above Yehoshua bin-Nun (Joshua).
5. Using Torah based wisdom, prophecy, knowledge of science, economics, etc. said Davidic king will be able to lead the Israeli people and bring things back to they way they were between when Mosheh ben-Amram (Moses)/Yehoshua bin-Nun (Joshua) and Shlomo HaMelekh (Solomon) led.
   • At some point in the above process there is a return of all Jews, outside of the land of Israel, to Israel.
   • This does not proclude that some Jews will refuse to side with the Torah and instead decide to side with the nations they are found in. This what we call in Hebrew a type of (מינות) i.e. a self-imposed decision to distance themselves from Hashem, the Torah, and the people/nation of Israel.
6. While all of the above is happening Torath Mosheh and Orthodox Jews are allowed to say, "Maybe he is mashiahh." We are not allowed to say he definately is. See important note below.

Important note: Only if the above Davidic king succeeds in restoring the Torah at all levels in the land of Israel (i.e. 100% proof Hebrew Tanakh based proof that the Source of Creation supports him, government structure, social structure, Temple in Jerusalem) and brings about world peace is he actually the (משיח) Mashiahh/Davidic king who leads by Torath Mosheh. If he fails at any of the above or if he dies before completeling the ENTIRE process it is known he was not (משיח) and at most was a descendant of David who made the attempt; nothing more! If that then was the case then Torath Mosheh and Orthodox Jews move on as before.

I hope that helps.

 

[Ehav4Ever]

Question: "How will Jews all get together to accept a potential mashiahh?"

Answer: The way is that it starts in the land of Israel. Jews living in Israel have a lot more to lose from anti-Israeli/anti-Jewish sentiment. What often has been the case is that the circumstances become so dire and that starts to cause people to really decide what is more important. Especially, if they try everything else and it doesn't work.

A similar situation happened when Hellonist in the Middle East tried to force Jews living in Israel to give up the Torah and accept Hellonism. In response to several incidents of pressure from Hellonists, the various Torath Mosheh Jewish factions united seeing they had a common threat. i.e. their backs were completely against the walls. Also, during the Roman occupation something similar happened between both Jews and Samaritans for a time.

Devarim (Deut.) 30:1-4 in the Hebrew Torah explains that if the Jewish people decide to turn back to Hashem after all of the difficulties mentioned in the Torah for not keeping it happen and Israelis realize that the Torah that was given at Mount Sinai is the only option - then Hashem responds to this by providing what the people want.

The Torath Mosheh concept is that if the generation merits it then it will succeed in a way that will cause others to take notice.

 

[Kenny]

• A standing Mosaic Court/Sanhedrin is able to clarify the person is fit to be king as specified above.
  • Somewhere between the prophet and the Mosaic court an anointing with oil can happen. Thus, at this point the person is considered a Davidic King (The anointing with oil has a specific reason behind it, but it is a long explaination.)

Would that be the impetus to building another Temple? A standing Mosaic Court? Or are they not related.

 

[Ehav4Ever]

Would that be the impetus to building another Temple? A standing Mosaic Court? Or are they not related.

1. The Jews in Israel desire/put in the work to return to the Torah. (written and oral)
2. The return of (נבואה) Torah based prophecy. (Only Hashem can cause this to happen)
3. The return of the Mosaic Court/Sanhedrin. (Also, local courts)
4. Not having internal conflict that would prevent enacting the proper measures for a Temple to exist. (Access to the area, materials, lack of sabatoge, etc.)

Theoretically, a temple could be attempted to be built with at least these four things happening. The challenge is completing it and keeping it standing.

Thus, the end game is that a Davidic king would be needed to lead the Israeli/Jewish nation to what we call (ימות משיח) or what some call in English "the Messianic Era."

 

[Ehav4Ever]