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Dating ,romance and sexism and men journal

Riders

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ANyways so i watched Bob Crane, Autofocus movie the true story of Bob Crane he was a sex and porn addict.

Apparently according to the story he watched so much of it he had flashbacks at times: I have had 3 all together only and lucky it didn't happen in front of anyone. He was so addicted in the end even when performing he;'d start rattling off inappropriatly about sex .

I will have you know the truth is I am very very very very very blessed and lucky!There are people in my SAA program and I think Bob was this way that porn intruded their thoughts so much of the they couldn't relate and communicate with people without exposing themselves somehow and yes some have to go to rehab because of that and some are put in psych wards.

Even though I've had a few misses few occassions when I said something inappropriatly on the internet mostly texting to men about dating few things have come out.

However I have never had this problem in person, usually at times I am actually somewhat shy believe it or not. Thank God. I mean my old UU church still sends me out invites to things going on up there, I can go to any church and spiritual related even and be very welcomed.

I did go to a bar, the same one Robert use to take me too, I went alone and the bar promoter flirted with me of course like he did everyone else. I acted nice and good, but later on got confused thinking he might like me and I almost got a crush on him but when my sister reminded me bar promoters do that I became aware and never went back.

But even then no i didn't hang around him, I was good and I have not had any real issues with that.However, unfortunately this is something that goes with out addiction, publically exposing our thoughts , or being inappropriate in public some of us have to be in pscyh wards. So its cares me.

Good Lord. I have not had as many relapse dreams of late and my cravings have gone down my thinking is better. I've 13 months of sobriety.

But I realize watching that movie had I not caught my addiction now, maybe it would have been that bad and it freaks me out.
Makes me wonder if I shouldn't go and join a convent. Maybe I should just quit thinking about men all together. It freaks me out. Oh lord I don't ever want to be like that. It should not make me think about the Christian church but when I use to be bad I always thought about going to church so naturally even now sometimes I think that.

But I am going to go to my UU church or a different spiritual place and get connected soon, I need too. Maybe Ill pick up one of the holy books, I need to got an AA meeting.

Holy crap that movie scared me.
 

Riders

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Back on the question of going to bars to socialize. No I don't believe bars are a good place for me to socialize. It is easy to get confused and think someone is interested in me if their just flirting. Also besides that I feel pressured to order drinks at bars. Bartender expects it. Even though I am not an alcoholic, I do have prediabetis and alcohol makes my blood sugar high and makes me gain weight.

I did well when I went to the d and d game and so playing games is good, going to any spiritual place is good for me, I never have problems at spiritual places. Unless I'm going to a cult like my old church.

I also do well in support groups AA and all that I never have issues there. I just need to wait awhile before I get involved with a man, right now is not the time. My sister wants me to get married but I want to get help psychiatric help and counseling first.

Its hard to be in a family where everyone is married and the expect everyone to be married, I think they see me a sa black sheep because I never married. I also think conservative Christian churches do not like single women. Its one big I did not want to go to conservative Christian church.

I've had one other friend Julie whom she has had friends from her church in the past who tried to set her up with a guy who was mentally challenged, 6 years ago a few Christian friends from AA tried to set me up with a guy who was so mentally retarded he had a hard time talking.

I think its strange but it would seem that some Christians are so set upon women being married that they would try set us up with people are completely inappropriate, even someone who's so mentally challenged they have the mind of an 8 year old.I think its perverted.

The other thing I hate is the fact that twice, I had people trying to set me up with a 500 pound man. If I said I one time I only weighed 250 the other time 340, but the guy was way heavier then me. They all said we were on the same level

We were not on the same level. One guy was about to get a wheel chair and possibly going into the hospital the other guy also almost couldn't walk. Its sexist. Its like Christians expect women to hate sex so its ok to set me up with someone who cant walk but if I asked why not set him up with a 500 pound woman? That would not be acceptable.

To see them as my equal when at one point one guy was 250 pounds heavier then me is sick and perverse. Personally I would never expect anyone to get involved with me if I weighed 500 pounds, so why is it ok for the 500 pound man to expect to be able get married though he cant have sex?

I don't think its ok. But I don't expect to date a younger guy or someone who is goodlooking I'm not expecting that at all.

I did date Randal for a year or some he w s like 57 but he looked older. I also dated a guy 5 years ago named Mitch who weighed 350 for about 5 months. He was able to walk and get a round so I'm open to dating an obese man who can walk and get around. But he had a hard time going out on dates so we broke up.

I wouldn't mind dating an older man who was 62 or something like that and I'm 52. I guess most men are sexist. I don't mind it so much with the age though.
 

Riders

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Here's another movie about sex addiction. I got the advertisement for it. I rented it last night. Its not so dark like Autofocus and it has a 12 step recovery message at the end of it which is better.

Some of these movies, sex addicts cant watch because of the nudity and porn in it, but for some reason I have not had an issue with it I guess because I'm thinking about recovery when i watch it.

 

Riders

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Heres some other movies about sex addiction. Sex Lies Obsession, you can watch it for free on youtub,e its based on a true story and its pretty good. There's another one called I AM A Sex Addict, its a self styled documentary made by a recovering sex addict also free on youtube ,its good too. Also AAddicted To Porn Chasing The Cardboard Butterfly.

That's a free one on youtube too and has a Christian couple who had to divorce because of the mans sex addiction.

Seduced by oh theres a anpther true story about a teen guy addicted to porn called Seduced By something or another its a true story pretty good too.Ill try to grab it off youtube hold on.

Here it is Cyber Seduction Also watch Don Jon and Thanks For SHaring
 

Riders

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Sometimes hard decisions have to be made. Especially when it comes to addiction. I have not been working. I am so burned out on calling for roofers. I wanted to work if I could do something other then phone sales. Tried couple of different clerical positions that did not work.

I have been so desperate for company lately needed a man. I've been looking through Craigslist . Went throgu a bunch of men. One of them tried to seduce me last night. Bisexual guy who tried telling me at first he just wanted me to watch him with other guys go out with him and his gay buddies. No problem there, as a sex addict it does nothing for me.

We ended up in a long discussion about sex, I was so comfortable with him I even told him about part of my addiction and he actually talked about it with me. Then he started inching BDSm in on me to see how I would react. I guess its like putting a frog into be fried he gets more and more comfortable with it till hes dead.

Hes a cute guy too claims to have money but who knows?
In the end he wanted me to be his sweet submissive sex slave, I imagine he liked the fact that I'm mentally ill, Doms who are actually predators get off on that. I almost fell for it and said no. Then he said look Ill be your friend, we can do activities together like you mentioned, go for long weekend vacations go to Vegas gamble Ill be your daddy or your boyfriend whatever you need me to be if you'll be my submissive..

He claimed to have 3 businesses but who knows what the truth is. His picture was probably real. But that's really evil. Sick men who claim to be Doms whoa re really predators and abuse know how to take the place of your Daddy, lots of times they are Lord God Master and Savior to their subs.

Forget it. He was very pursuasive and seductive I almost fell for it. Considering the fact I came within a hairs inch of going off with a predator last night I decided to go back to work . I need to be needed and wanted right now.

I'm back calling for another construction company...........geez its boring but at least I'm busy.

I did get 2 different penpals. Though both only want to write and maybe meet later, but they seem to be pretty nice. If I can write them awhile and build up trust who knows.

 

Riders

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Anyways i am writing a couple of guys from craigslist. I hope something good comes from it. Im on my SAA program now. I'm going to therapy tomorrow.

I was suppose to go get my surgery for my scar tissue done by now. Nut I can not I am sick again. My wound came back in part because I over ate for 10 days. But I was sick at my stomach through part of that so again I'm only up to 290, 5 pound weight gain. truth is I havn't gotten back up to 300 in several months.

The job was different then what I thought it would be and I'm sick so I quit,


But i may have gone down a couple of pounds. I've been doing a different diet the past 3 days. I won't talk about it till I have lost some weight with it, but I think its working which has set me off in a better mood.

So no job no man, bored to death but oddly feeling a bit better anyways. But I think next month I am going to visit the Hare Krishna Temple, I think that would make me feel good.
 

Riders

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Well I guess I am blessed and lucky. I tried finding date on craigslist earlier this week. First I got guys who wanted to have sex with me only. Then I got a predator who pretended to be a dominant male and I almost got seduced by it. Everyone gripped me out, told my sister what went on my counselor and sponsor. I got chewed out. it made me mad. Sometimes I feel like everyone's on my case. I have a very low self esteem and even abusive guys look attractive to me sometimes because I feel like I don't deserve any better.

But I lost 5 pounds this week which made me feel better.

Then I got a job selling this guys art for him. He does wood work crosses flags stuff like that. I hope i do a good job selling on social media for him. He wanted to meet me so I could see his stuff. I didn't have a ride so he picked me up a perfect stranger, took me to Denny's bought me a burger.

I had no problem with not talking about sex and talked mostly business and it was really interesting. I dressed up nice conducted myself perfectly.

He did bring up the fact he had looked at the community circle and even groups to sell his stuff at but its dead. then he said he had seen stuff in that part of Craigslist he wished he had not seen it scared him. I admitted I had tried to date guys there and said Id run into all creeps. But he responded yea and that was it nothing else was said. Sense he responded positively and nothing was said about sex it was fine perfectly fine.

But mostly it was business.I do have a hard time looking men in the eyes at times. I did look away 2 or 3 times today. Wished I hadn't, but mostly I looked him in the eye.I hope he didn't notice me looking away.Its an issue for me when I'm around men.

But That i did really well and my sponsor says I do not need any help with setting boundaries with men or watching what I say around ,men at my work or my boss so that's really good, that's something.

I also do really well with both men and women in spiritual places which is why I want to get back to one.
Anyways, I know I have things to be grateful for. Its like the movie about the guy who played Hogan Bob Crane and how he went crazy talking about sex inappropriatly in the end. But he started seeking therapy in the end, I heard later.

I am lucky I can socialize in some situations. I met a woman in my SAA meeting tonight who has brain damage and she has been in and out of psych wards she said most of her life, she has bipolar like me. She also can not socialize much at all outside of her little circle. She cant hold a job so I know I am lucky, Shes living in a shelter off of food stamps.

However in bars or singles groups I would not do well, something bad might come out of my mouth, it depends on the situation. On the internet trying to text men online dating is no good for me.

Her psychiatrist counselor doesn't want her socializing much, I told her to try a spiritual place tonight it would be easier she that's what shes planning to do. Shes gonna start texting me I hope when she needs help with the program.
There are some who spend a long time in psych wards or in treatment centers before they can get out...........I am glad I caught this addiction before it got that out of control.
I really am blessed I guess.
 

Riders

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Remember the guy friend I talked about incessantly for 3 or 4 posts and got over it? i was wrong. I thought when he said lets go post on each others page maybe I had somehow I don't know made him nervous or question texting me? I did not. He is texting me again. He probably did not feel violation of boundaries.
But posting one ach others page i can give him my opinion on his stuff.

Anyways, I am over it, I watched one of his videos last night and wondered why I was attracted to him, hes not really that great. What 50 year old man is?So i don;t feel triggard by my sex addiction at all. I am liking it, I like my friendship with him, he is a UU guy.

However. He has run for certain political offices, as unaffiliated guy, he closely agrees with the green group and is radical liberal. Hes not running now.

But he is a political leader of sorts, he has his own groups that meet in the library. Hes also pulling together a meetup.com group that meets on line through Zoom and he wants me to help him. I would love to help him and I agree with their radical beliefs on the environment, women's rights, they also want to legalize pot and drugs and prostitution.
They are a bit like the LIbertarians in some ways, which is the group I associate with, they are for small government and laws passed and ran by the people instead of the government.

I would really like to start going to his group. However I have to say, there has been a darkness between me and men when it comes religion and politics and Pentecostal past and even with my past with the UU church. Yea I know lol this has nothing to do with Pentecostals. But my ex guy friend Robert was a political leader taught me about the Libertarian party, he was an alcoholic sex addict and I was co dependent on him.

I guess it doesn't matter, I'm probably over reacting. My sponsor says i need to take it a step at a time and not worry until the time comes for me to join the group/ Ill be joining him on Zoom live video, which I have joined other groups on Zoom too.

It could be triggering watching him, but I just don't think it, will I am past the attraction.
I told her he could be my friend, she said he is not really your friend if hes a political leader, he is looking for a follower and this is true I know it. I think I have done the same thing in the past thought of my church leaders as friends when really they just wanted a member.

That's how I got involved with church in the first place looking for friendship. So I know what she means and I agree to an extinct. On the other hand he is a member of the UU church and I think of UU guys as my brother I can't help it. Even though he is just looking for a follower I am sure he sees me as his UU sister...........But we will see. I am not going to decide right now what I will do.

I know they are real radical but I agree with a lot of what he believes on environmentalism especially, I mean yea the Green group is out there good as far as the environment goes.............
 

Riders

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When I first met Daniel offered to do volunteer work for his political stuff hes doing he said no he didnt want to get anything free from a friend. I don't really know him enough to know him enough to know if he thinks of me as a friend. But to say just because hes a politician makes him bad he has to be taking advantage of me, they all want one thing, hes not your friend, how does anyone know? How does my sponsor know she doesn't know him...........

I feel like I have been warned too much about men and not being friends with men and not dating men way too much at SAA and from everyone else. Except when I am trying to date on the internet, I'm swarned off the net for dating. Officially I am not gonna date for awhile anyways.

But all these warnings people getting into my business I feel like its all about me being and fat , people want to make sure I know that hey Daniel could never be my friend, hes a politician, hes too good for me obviously he wouldn't want anything but money from me I'm fat and old!

Everyone so concerned that I need to get the idea I don't need to date ever again for the rest of my life. I'm too fat and old that's the real deal, that's what I am hearing I'm ugly.............I am not hearing a message of recovery........
 

Riders

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Well so I have not been on my meds. So I kind of had a melt down last night. It does seem to me that my obesity and over eating issues over lap with my sexual issues though. I am better off not dating now so I will stick to that. But it does feel like people try to shut me down with men because of obesity issues. I am down to 282,I've lost 8 pounds in 2 and a half weeks.

I seem to have gone out too extreme with my program too. All this talk about being distracted and triggard by texting, its only when I text with dating apps. My politician man is only talking about politics to me,that is not a temptation why would it be?
Why are so many people in SAA including a few of my friends warning me about being in politics? I did not join PA Politics Anonymous.

I don't want information and advice on being friends with a politician, I do not need it. I also do not need advice when it comes to having guy friends who belong to my own spiritual paths or political groups, I am not open to taking advice on that.

I don't need help with church or religious guy friends. I think in general many times SAA people feel negative towards me or others having friendships with men or those of the opposite sex. I agree with it but I don't. After the experience with Daniel I feel like, if its a guy from church m in this case its Daniel hes talking politics, but still hes from my UU church, they are from my own church my own religion, there's no need to put up boundaries as far as texting them or socializing with them.

I do not have issues with men from my church being friends, I don't get triggard especially when speaking about church issues or politics.

So those are my new boundaries. But I think its an issue. Having friends of the opposite sex and I might bring it up under sexuality.

I know people want to bring up my Pentecostal past. I I'll probably be working on that in counseling. But again I did not join SAA to work on my religious addiction either.

Right now all I can do is my best on that. I started a new group, a philosophy group of my own. I only have 3 other people. We are suppose to meet 2 weeks from sunday at a restaurant. Hopefully we will be studying philosophy and at first just talking a bout goals for our group.

I used Craigslist of course, you can go to community then groups and start any group you want for free.Its in Mesquite so I had to add the fact that we are not Christian otherwise wed have the Christian community take over.

I already have I know one guy is Atheist, he thinks hes responsible for taking care of me so hes been checking in on me and we talk about the group. Again he is texting me, but my philosophy mind is going when we talk so no temptation for me. Its nice to have a guy friend though, we are friends.

So I have a few friends now.
 

Riders

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Dating sites are just horrible in general. It's no wonder if you do feel a little triggered by them.
YEs right dating sights are not for me and really right now dating is not a good thing for me so.But I hope in the future there will be someone for me.
 

Milton Platt

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I have about 5 different points and maybe even debates I wanted to bring up with this thread. However I cant verbally I don't think express myself so that it will all sound like a good debate so Id rather start keeping a journal about it.

So if anyone wants to respond anyways feel free to put your input. So the first thing I will talk about is sexism.
A couple of things that drive me mad about men.Men who put their lives or at leaste their finances at risk of being scammed by dating young hot women.

I'm aware that some of these young women who go for older men, may not kill and may not drain the mans pocket book of millions, I'm nott alking about women who just live off these guys and get spoiled.

I'm talking about Bruce Cleland and other older men I have seen their stories on Investigation Discovery because they got themselves killed.

The thing of it is Investigation Discovery I guess has to be kind and compassionet to victems who are related to the murder victim. SO therefore They have to say good things about them even though they were total *** holes in real life.

Bruce Cleland was apparently one of the top 100 richest men in AMerica like 10 or 15 years ago.He was 44 and was worth over a hundred million dollars.

He had never had sex or dated anyone and was shy. he met this lady who was 24, 20 years younger, geourgeous beauty who worked at a spice stand and was making descent money in sales. He emt her and fell for her.

SHe started spending his money, he gave her houses, 1 mansion over 2 million bucks in her name, millions in cars trips and jewlry. Give me a break his friends knew she was bad news and didn't confront the situation.

AT one point she stole over a hundred thousand dollars for a bunch of cosmetic surgery.

It was horrible. he found out about it and let her do it. The thing is he was so addicted to the idea of being married to a young beauty, hes insane, I mean the guy couldn't open his eyes to see he was being taken even after he found out she had stole that much money.

Its crazy, nutty, who, what guy would spend that much money to win a lady? She gave othe rpeople the creeps they sat there said nothing.
But still he was completely sexist, he just had to have his 24 year old Barbie doll. Of course she killed him for the money.

SHe got caught thank God, black widow in jail hopfully forever.

I just cant believe how sexists some men are, its as if he thought his money could buy him a beautiful woman geez!

ANyways got lots to say about dating tomarrow.

To you and me, it seems crazy, but everyone has the right to spend their money any way they wish, however irrationally it is.
 

Riders

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To you and me, it seems crazy, but everyone has the right to spend their money any way they wish, however irrationally it is.

Right right he had the right to spend that money Bruce Cleland just as men have the right to spend all their money on prostitutes and strippers if they want. But he took it seriously, and fell in love with someone who made it apparent to everyone except him that she did not love him so then he went and spent millions and millions on her.

Yea its crazy but today I see it as mentally ill. I do not believe Bruce Cleland was all there, he probably had some mental illness so its just sad.Maybe I am just sensitive about it because I have done crazy stuff for love too including talking to daddy doms who wanted to abuse me. So I understand. I am just glad she is in prison.

Men who dos pend a lot of money on prostitutes, I mean I think it should be legal so that we don't have pimps out here who are kidnapping 12 year olds and turning them out. Its sick and crazy that we have men who spend money to have sex with them but it is what it is.

However if we legalized it and the escort agencies and red light district H-houses for a better lack of a term I know there another word, like the Ranch in Nevada, they opened up all over we would not have the need men would not have the need or as much need to go get street prostitutes. On the other hand maybe I am wrong about that, I would hope that would be the case. Exotic messages are legal though is it not prostitution too?

But as far as I am concerned men can spend as money as they want like I said as long as the person they are with is 18 or older, I don't see anything wrong with it.

However I am a recovering sex and love addict and I got to meeting with men every night who have been kicked out on the street and even living homeless shelter because they went broke, and lost 100s of thousands of dollars on sugar babies etc............

So if you become addicted to it the consequences are there, jail if your caught buying a prostitute, your wife finding out, becoming physically exhausted as I and others did, some men lose their jobs etc etc.........so all i can say is whatever, to me I'm fine with men doing it with age appropriate folks. But beware the consequences.

If I ever get married or have a boyfriend, I would not personally out any rules on him, it would be fine with me for him to do it. But if I have to live with his consequences like him coming down with AIDS etc that might be a different thing.
 

Milton Platt

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Right right he had the right to spend that money Bruce Cleland just as men have the right to spend all their money on prostitutes and strippers if they want. But he took it seriously, and fell in love with someone who made it apparent to everyone except him that she did not love him so then he went and spent millions and millions on her.

Yea its crazy but today I see it as mentally ill. I do not believe Bruce Cleland was all there, he probably had some mental illness so its just sad.Maybe I am just sensitive about it because I have done crazy stuff for love too including talking to daddy doms who wanted to abuse me. So I understand. I am just glad she is in prison.

Men who dos pend a lot of money on prostitutes, I mean I think it should be legal so that we don't have pimps out here who are kidnapping 12 year olds and turning them out. Its sick and crazy that we have men who spend money to have sex with them but it is what it is.

However if we legalized it and the escort agencies and red light district H-houses for a better lack of a term I know there another word, like the Ranch in Nevada, they opened up all over we would not have the need men would not have the need or as much need to go get street prostitutes. On the other hand maybe I am wrong about that, I would hope that would be the case. Exotic messages are legal though is it not prostitution too?

But as far as I am concerned men can spend as money as they want like I said as long as the person they are with is 18 or older, I don't see anything wrong with it.

However I am a recovering sex and love addict and I got to meeting with men every night who have been kicked out on the street and even living homeless shelter because they went broke, and lost 100s of thousands of dollars on sugar babies etc............

So if you become addicted to it the consequences are there, jail if your caught buying a prostitute, your wife finding out, becoming physically exhausted as I and others did, some men lose their jobs etc etc.........so all i can say is whatever, to me I'm fine with men doing it with age appropriate folks. But beware the consequences.

If I ever get married or have a boyfriend, I would not personally out any rules on him, it would be fine with me for him to do it. But if I have to live with his consequences like him coming down with AIDS etc that might be a different thing.

I know that sex addiction is considered and actual disease now by the psychiatric community. I still gets light treatment and becomes the butt of jokes still. Sometimes because the person is uncomfortable with the topic and is just trying to lighten up the topic, and sometimes just because they are an a-hole. If sex addiction was the root cause in the behavior of the man you spoke of, I can feel sympathy for him. Not being versed on the subject, I have no idea what the line is between a person with a high libido and someone addicted to sex.
 

Riders

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I know that sex addiction is considered and actual disease now by the psychiatric community. I still gets light treatment and becomes the butt of jokes still. Sometimes because the person is uncomfortable with the topic and is just trying to lighten up the topic, and sometimes just because they are an a-hole. If sex addiction was the root cause in the behavior of the man you spoke of, I can feel sympathy for him. Not being versed on the subject, I have no idea what the line is between a person with a high libido and someone addicted to sex.
Bruce Cleland may have had a love addiction. He was a virgin before he married the black widow not sex addict. But sometimes love addicts tend to get obsessed with people, I wouldn't be surprised if he had a love obsession for the black widow that killed him.It's love addiction.
 

Riders

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So anyways my political friend leader guy D. who has been texting me a lot started a group on zoom. He said he wanted me and him to meet halfway between Austin and Dallas. My sister brought the idea of what if he doesnt show up and your stuck in a Greyhound bus?

I don't think he would but you never know and really I am not sure I want to have to pay for bus trips to see a male friend. So I told him he'd have to come out to Dallas.

He does not have a car hikes everywhere or gets rides. So he said he had no time to walk to Dallas, and all this political stuff groups hes got and how busy he is.

So I said very bluntly oh well I was hoping we could go out to eat and be my friend. He said he does not have the time to in a friendship he was going to get us on the computer and go to a group while he was with me. So I said k but he let me down sweetly said hed love to but.......

Anyways he does talk me about other stuff then politics, we talk a lot about the UU church spirituality morality etc. So I said we are brothers and a sister he agreed with that.So I now think of him as my UU brother instead of the political guy.

He still texts , we've been texting more sense I was rejected so. But its nice to have someone to chat to if nothing else, helps me be less lonely so I am cool with it.

We are working on our goals though. I started a philosophy group for Mesquite. We talk about ideas on how to run it and for his group too so hes given me some ideas for my group which helps me.
 

Riders

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So my guy friend who's extreme liberal politician guy is a either a scam artist or crazy guy who fell for a scam and tried to get me involved. he said he and i won the facebook lottery 70 thousand bucks right. Right from the get go I thought it was a scam but I did some research on the net found out that of course face book does no have a lotto.

Then he gave the name of the guy who was the supposed agent Mark smith, and I read on the net that that's a made up name too. Smith is a common name so.

Anyways, so the agent said at first he was with Publishers clearing house, and I researched that found out there's a bunch of scams trying to say they are agents for PCH too. So he also said he was working for the government hat he was giving out free grants to disabled folks and college students and poor people .

Well hoodley hoo, if that were true I would know about it because anything like that has to come from social security.

Then I asked him how do i get paid, I need to know how the payment comes. He wouldn't tell me but tried to stick me with a bunch of shipment fees, and I said I don't pay anything to get money and PCH does not charge. He said yes they do they send out shipment fees. I have heard inside scoops on the news about PCH and hes not an agent.

But my guy friend put up arguments and got mad pouted at me tried to argue about it for 2 days.I started realizing 1 or 2 things either my friend is mentally ill or most likely a part of the scam. How can this be? Hes got magazine articles hes done for liberal magazines hes also does a radio show for free without making money in with a big group of radical liberals who believe like the green group and live in Austin and I even have information on his group shockingly.

But the truth is this. He told me he had been diagnosed with mental illness as a kid and decided to get off his meds and with yoga and his counselor stayed off meds

So this could be mental illness, but he would be the scam artists behind it. But if he is the scam artists and I know he told me he only gets money from his dad so he doesn't have much, so if he is, he is probably leading a good healthy life with his friends but leading a double life as well .

Many people do it. I have seen tb shows about Baptists minsters and conservative guys who were pulling scams too it means nothing. They maybe telling the truth about how they feel about religion and changing into another personality at other times . This guy seems intense about politics, perhaps he is changing into another personality.

Just because its the Universalist church does not mean they're aren't bad guys there, I have heard of scams in UU before , It doesn't make it bad it just means there is good and bad in all churches.I could tell you some weird stories about conservative Christian men I have slept with.

Anyways, yea Buddhist monk told me the same thing. He said some folks have told me how good and relaxed and wonderful all buddhists are. They think the religion is good stereotype them all as being good guys He said do you know how many monks in different countries in India still money and brow beat they're group they're followers into giving up all their money, how many women have been raped by Buddhist monks????Really it means nothing.

Anyways guess thats it for me, no more allowing men to communicate with me on the internet anymore Its too much trouble hes gone. Even if its because of mental illness that means he is a danger to me and himself when he becomes mentally ill so it doesn't really if hes a true scam artists or not, he is a danger to me, thats all I need to know/
 

Riders

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I'd stay away from this friend, maybe - but use your gut instinct as well.
I am staying away no more. Not only that no more talking to men on the internet. I've run into a bdsm predator on craigslist and now this guy.

I am scared of the world. I am scared of men at this point . I do not want any guy on social media talking to me anymore at this point.

I am going to the church that preaches at the old folks home Sunday not for church. I will sit through the church part though I don't agree with them . That way the lonely abandoned elderly people at the end I can hug the elderly folks and shake their hands so doing a good work but it will help me be less lonely too.

I want to be around people who will like me too.I am going to focus on service work for 12 step meetings, weight loss, I'm going to physical therapy place plus hopefully tops and then the old folks home. Really I am kind of scared of AA and Narcotics Anonymous at times, I have had a few people try to scam me there too. So we will see about that.I just don't trust the world anymore Id rather be with the elderly people taking care of them.
 
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