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Discussion in 'Evolution Vs. Creationism' started by Loaai, Nov 28, 2020.

  1. Loaai

    Loaai A Logical Scientific Philosopher.

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    So let's suppose that what Darwin said was right, Humanity has evolved from Apes, somehow it was proven scientifically that Apes were the origins of a creature that can think, understand, express his thoughts, have consciousness and choose his path in life, but then, does Darwin's theory only apply on Human beings and Apes?

    May I ask what is the origins of Apes? or Maybe even the origins of origins of Apes.. May I ask the main origin of all biological creatures on Earth?
    If Darwin's theory is correct then it should lead us to 1 single living organism and from this organism every other creature was developed and originated throughout thousands or even millions of years, but then we say.. what was the origin of this single creature or this single organism? Was it just a coincidence that this organism somehow developed and originated through a very complex chemical reaction and survived specifically on Earth? Have you ever wondered why humanity with all this progress in space has not yet discovered a single planet that has a single creature on it!

    Is it really a coincidence that Earth is the only place where biology is present? Is it really a coincidence that the only planet among Trillions of others that has perfect conditions for living organisms is Earth? Why do you think human beings are the only creatures in this universe that know how to think, understand and have conciseness?(till now) Biology just developed?
    Then why didn't it develop for Dogs, cats, crocodiles, cows, ants, bees and even Apes! Did humanity prove that an Ape can be transformed into a human?

    See.. Einstein's theories were falsified a lot by other scientists when he first published them, but then it was all about the practical experiment that beat all expectations when this experiment proved that his theory was actually correct, and suddenly his theories became a fact. something we are sure of.. something we can take for granted in our future development in all fields of science.
    But back to Darwin.. Did he transform an Ape into a Human? Has any scientist transformed any creature on Earth into a human? Is there something called Impossible? Can we actually go back in time?

    At this point I hope you all know where this is going, what happened and what is happening to human beings is not a coincidence by any means but to prove the validity of Darwin's theory someone has to conduct a practical experiment that will shut down any other doubters and transform an Ape into a human.. Or maybe anything into a human.. Can this ever happen?

    It's all an obvious answer that there is something much bigger and unimaginable behind all of this.
     
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  4. Loaai

    Loaai A Logical Scientific Philosopher.

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    Alright, I ll believe you if I saw a half Human half Ape guy in this Homindae Wiki
     
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    This really belongs in the Creation/Evolution area.

    The subject has been beaten to death before this thread. Even your word "ape" is incorrect.

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    Hmmm... What do you think of the fossil record? It does seem pretty extensive, don't you think?

    You reference the hominidae wiki. There should be answers to the questions you ask there. :)
     
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    No, not half human half ape. That's like saying half apple half fruit. An apple is a type of fruit, a human is a type of ape.
     
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    My point isn't just about origins of Apes, It's about the origins of life on this planet and why exceptionally it was the only one to have such creatures.
     
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    No, it applies to all biological species that we know.

    It was unlikely to have been a single organism, as opposed to a population of related organisms. The problem is that the earliest life on Earth was over 3.8 billion years ago and the records we have of that time are not very extensive.

    We can say that the most recent *common* ancestor of all modern life was single celled, used DNA for genetics, used proteins for structure and catalysis, and we know a number of the chemical systems it used.

    What was before that is less certain. We strongly suspect that there were organisms that did NOT use DNA and protein like those today, but instead used RNA in place of both.

    The specific mechanisms by which life got started are not known, but there is a LOT of research into this question and more is known that most people realize.

    We've only known there are planets outside of our solar system for the last couple of decades. The existence of Earth-sized planets has been shown only in the last few years. At this point, we have not been able to do more than show they exist. Almost nothing is known about anything concerning what their atmospheres are like and whether they actually have life on them.

    That is very far from being known. If planets orbiting other stars had life, we would not be able to detect it given our current technology. it may well be that life is common in the universe: we simply do not know.

    Once again, we simply don't know this to be the case. Maybe being an intelligent species leads to self-destruction in less than 50,000 years, so all previous intelligent races went extinct. Maybe there are others out there, but we don't know how to detect them. Again, we simply do not know.

    Why didn't what develop? Consciousness? How do you know that dolphins are not conscious? Or elephants?

    It was a bit more involved than that.

    If another creature was transformed into a human, it would conclusively show Darwin was *wrong*.

    Unlikely. First, the ethics of this would make it unlikely anyone would try it. But, if evolutionary biology is correct, we would not *expect* to be able to do everything leading to humans *exactly* the same as what happened in the past. For one thing, the species of apes that lead to humans no longer exist. And that is what would be required to produce humans.

    Maybe, maybe not. But this argument doesn't show anything either way. Among other things, our ignorance about other planets is immense. We simply do not know how common life is in the universe. I suspect bacterial life is quite common, but that is just a guess. But, at this point, we would not know it if there was life on even some fairly close planet unless it was intelligent and using the same radio technology that we do.
     
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  10. Loaai

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    I would love to take a look at that fossil! :monkeyface:
     
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    What evidence do you have that Earth is the only planet with life on it?

    Given how little we've been able to study planets outside of our solar system, on what basis do you claim Earth is the only one?
     
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    What you are saying makes no sense because humans are both fully human and fully ape, in the same way bats are fully bats and fully mammals for example.
     
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    Precisely. Humans are one type of great ape. We are also primates, mammals, vertebrates, animals, and eucaryotes.
     
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    I'd also point out that Darwin's original theory has been extended quite a lot in the last 170 years. For example, Darwin didn't know anything about genetics.
     
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    Why are every single creature on earth except human beings have the ability to think, understand and literally exploit the environment? I don't think elephants or dolphins created iPhones yet

    If it would conclusively show Darwin was *wrong* then what was the scientific basis that verified his claims? (if his claims are even true at this point)

    That's exactly what I'm trying to say, we still don't know the full details about humans' origins, just as we don't know everything about life on other planets because simple we don't have enough info, so we can't just confirm that humans were Apes before they are what they are right now, without having all the required information for this to be true.
     
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    What is your understanding of "Darwin's Theory," Loaai?
     
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    Personally I think the idea that the earth being the only planet with life proves there is a creator is a faulty idea.

    If God was an omnipotent creator of life why was God impotent to create life except for only under specific natural circumstances.

    If it was all due to chance we would expect there to be barren planets where the numbers necessary for life didn't come up in the cosmic draw and that is precisely what we find
     
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    And for some reason we still study his claims?
     
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    The theory it self studies evolution of various creatures that lived and living on Earth, BUT it can not conclude that Humans' were originated through any kind of creature evolution with just some fossils that looks like monkeys and humans at the same time.
     
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