ThePainefulTruth
Romantic-Cynic
If they control business and industry, they're socialist. And the more power is concentrated in government, the more oppressive it will become.
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If they control business and industry, they're socialist. And the more power is concentrated in government, the more oppressive it will become.
No i didn't. I said "with ability."
By that i meant you haven't shown it with such ability to convince your opposition. You calling them libs is a tell-tale sign.
Furthermore: You keep poisoning your own argument with inane claims. Firstly:
You call it "name calling" when someone posts an internet picture that doesn't address you by name. Second: In the very same post you accuse others of calling you by names, you openly call them "libs." You openly call them illiterate. Third: Then, after you have called them illiterate libs, you attribute quotes to the wrong people, make claims that i posted a picture when i didn't etc, and show your illiteracy.
You're such a hypocrite.
"He's a conspiracy theorist": not an ad hominem, just a claim. Whether it's incorrect is a separate matter, but being incorrect doesn't necessarily imply that there was a logical fallacy in the reasoning.
"He's a conspiracy theorist and he's wrong": again, not an ad hominem.
"He's wrong because he's a conspiracy theorist": ad hominem.
Do you see the difference?
The left doesn't want to admit that it is more prone to fascism.
Socialism/communism have the history of the largest fascist regimes.
Calling something "right" is more insult than substance.
If you're an NPR listener, watch for how "right" & "left are treated.
You'll not hear prefixes denoting extremism before "left" or "liberal".
But they often place "far", "extreme", "ultra", "arch" or "alt" in front of "right" or "conservative".
Analyzing language is a fascinating window into bias.
The same technique shows bias in news from the other side of the aisle.
I bet Fox News viewers could find something for us.
I agree with you, but it's a fine line.
One must tread carefully.
I'm personally not a fan of the term "alt-right", because it glosses over what the "alt-right" actually is: white supremacist authoritarianism.
Since the "alt right" is unorganized & loosely associated, it would be overly broad to say that it
is distinctly this or that. White supremacist authoritarianism is in the mix, but doesn't define it.
So like you, I oppose white supremacism by opposing "white supremacism".
Tis the same for other authoritarian movements.
You need such a unique perspective when you place yourself between god and priest to become a demigod.
Fascism opposes some of the core ideologies of the ussr
Fascism - New World Encyclopedia
So i can't agree.
You need such a unique perspective when you place yourself between god and priest to become a demigod.
Fascism opposes some of the core ideologies of the ussr
Fascism - New World Encyclopedia
So i can't agree.
You hatred of liberalism, you would deny said liberals their constitutional rights.
As for the rest, your tinfoil hat has slipped
Business is for the most part run by capitalism, true that capitalism and Nazism are authoritarian right wing ideologies. Your ignorance of politics is not my problem
Its called fact, not name calling, sorry if fact offends you
With which USSR ideologies would fascism be at odds?
The main one... Anti communism.
Add to that the racist aspects of fascism
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"The Russian Revolution inspired attempted revolutionary movements in Italy, with a wave of factory occupations. Most historians view fascism as a response to these developments, as a movement that both tried to appeal to the working class and divert them from Marxism. It also appealed to capitalists as a bulwark against Bolshevism. "
From the encyclopedia link i provided
Common dictionary definitions of "fascism" don't
include anti-communism as a necessary condition.
Not my problem, more complete encyclopedia entries do. Fascism was a defence against communism, the ussr was a communist state, ergo not fascist.
Fascism today is not the "fascism" from days of yore.
Words evolve.
Can you imagine if we were to use all common words only according to their historical definitions?
It would be safe to say that you do not have a "clue".
(Neither do I.....it's a ball of yarn.)
Fascism is not a medieval word, in fact it's less than 100 years old, funnily enough it was at its peak at the same time the ussr was rearing its head. If the meaning of the word today has changed (my research shows otherwise) it would not effect the historical context.
It would be a tough case to make....that major dictionaries, which
base definitions upon frequency of usage, are all wrong.
And tougher still, to require that the language change to suit pedants.
Who imposed the 100 year standard?
But if it's observed, it would pose problems.....
Ref....
Semantic change - Wikipedia
- Gay—Originally meant (13th century) "lighthearted", "joyous" or (14th century) "bright and showy", it also came to mean "happy"; it acquired connotations of immorality as early as 1637, either sexual e.g., gay woman "prostitute", gay man "womanizer", gay house "brothel", or otherwise, e.g., gay dog "over-indulgent man" and gay deceiver "deceitful and lecherous". In the United States by 1897 the expression gay cat referred to a hobo, especially a younger hobo in the company of an older one; by 1935, it was used in prison slang for a homosexual boy; and by 1951 and clipped to gay, referred to homosexuals.
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And still the ussr was an authoritarian communist state, not a fascist state
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The economic model was State Corporatism, which is fundamentally different to socialism.
The normative goal of socialism (although not necessarily in practice) was an equalisation of power relationships. Nazis were Social Darwinists who believed those who proved to be the fittest should hold the power, successful industrialists fit this mould. State corporatism was about linking private business to the state so that they served its interests (modern China and Russia have elements of this system). Favoured enterprises increased their inequality in power relationships, rather than decreasing them which was the purpose.
Plenty of US industrialists were proponents of fascism, I'm not too sure if there were many proponents of socialism.
The system wasn't socialist or capitalist, this was the point of it. It was supposed to be an alternative.
Likewise, trying to fit it into the modern right/left political equation is pointless as it is neither (and most terms used in the discussion are fairly meaningless anyway as they are so distorted and contentious). It's just 21st century people engaging in political point scoring based on selective perception.
Nationalism, and even imperialism, are other things that are associated with the right today, but were not necessarily considered right wing in the past.
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ThePainefulTruth
Romantic-Cynic
Yup. And like I've said elsewhere, the first target of the leftist or anarchist is the dictionary.