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Featured Creationism is proved in 2003 year?

Discussion in 'Evolution Vs. Creationism' started by questfortruth, Nov 17, 2018.

  1. questfortruth

    questfortruth Active Member

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    "Jesus I know, and Paul I know about, but who are you?" (Acts 19:15).
    The author has completed the highschool with a gold medal, the
    master degree at the University of Tartu with Cum Laude, has published in top
    academic journals, including Physical Review, has been lecturer at the
    university. The first part of his CV can be found in Eesti Teadusinfosüsteem

    The Science tells us, that there is the chance, that Bible is true.
    But let us assume, that Y-Chromosomal Adam lived 600 years before the Mitochondrial Eve was born (according to references in Wikipedia, there is a chance, that Y-Chromosomal Adam lived same time as Mitochondrial Eve). But the female ancestor of that Eve lived also 600 years before the Mitochondrial Eve: latter has grand-grand-grand-mother called also ``Eve''. Enough grand, that this grand-grand-grand-Eve lived the same time with Y-Chromosomal Adam. The future Eve was in the genus of those who lived with Adam. Therefore, one can say that Adam lived at the same time as Eve.

    If Y-Chromosomal Adam lived many centuries before the Mitochondrial Eve, he
    still knew the female Eve from whom the Mitochondrial Eve came. This female
    Eve can be, then, called the common ancestor of the contemporary female
    humankind. And the observation does not exclude Adam's and Eve's marriage. I
    quote from Wikipedia 2018: "As of 2013, estimates for the age Y-MRCA are
    subject to substantial uncertainty, with a wide range of times from 180,000 to
    580,000 years ago (with an estimated age of between 120,000 and 156,000 years
    ago, roughly consistent with the estimate for mt-MRCA)."

    In genetic genealogy, the identical ancestors point (IAP) or all common
    ancestors (ACA) point is the most recent point in a given population's past
    where each individual then alive turned out to either be the ancestor of
    every individual alive now or has no currently living descendants. Another
    words: the ACA is the time when everyone around was either an ancestor
    of everyone currently living or has no descendants at all. This point
    lies further in the past than the population's most recent common ancestor
    (MRCA). The identical ancestors point for Homo sapiens has been the subject
    of debate. In 2004, Rohde, Olson and Chang showed through simulations that
    the Identical Ancestors Point for all humans is surprisingly recent, on the order of 5,000 -- 10,000 years ago. Ralph and Coop, considering the European population and working from genetics, came to similar conclusions for the recent common ancestry of Europeans. Wikipedia 2018 has following references: D.L.~Rohde, S.~Olson, J.T.~Chang, "Modelling the recent common ancestry of all living humans", Nature 431(7008), 562--566 (2004); Peter Ralph, Graham Coop, "The Geography of Recent Genetic
    Ancestry across Europe", PLOS Biology, May 7, 2013; D.L.~Rohde, "On the
    common ancestors of all living humans", Submitted to American Journal of
    Physical Anthropology (2003).

    Suppose the moment of History called ``ACA'' has happened at 5500 BC.~\cite{ACA}
    Then at this year 5500 BC lived, suppose 20000 Adams, it means, that any single
    human in our time (2018 AD) can trace own origin to one (or more) of the Adams
    [for example, man Bob -- female Jane -- man Igor -- .... - man John - Adam number 1700]. But due to the direct male descendants line of Y-Chromosomal Adam (and line of females of Mitochondrial Eve) is present also at 5500 BC, then ACA point must be more ancient, than time when M-Eve and Y-Adam were born. It means, that mt-MRCA must be not 200 000 years old, but under 10 000 years old.
     
  2. Brickjectivity

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    Sir, I protest. Science means observing, measuring and hypothesizing based on what we see. When you involve the Bible you take away the Science. "If Baal really is a god, he can defend himself when someone breaks down his altar." (Judges 6:31)

    "Adam" is a Biblical name. It has powerful meaning that is removed away if we equate it with chromosomes. Adam means clay or red. Its important that it is red, not coincidence. It is the color of blood, and all people have red blood. We do not have green, blue, yellow blood. Notice Adam is not named for his skin color. That is done on purpose. Moses writes that the life is in the blood. Notice he doesn't say its in the skin, in the sacrum, in the brain or anywhere but the blood. Scientifically that is all ****ed up, but Biblically its beautiful and meaningful.
     
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  3. Kangaroo Feathers

    Kangaroo Feathers Hardline moderate

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    All the mangling of science aside... what's your point? There's no reason to think Mitochondrial Eve and Y Chromosomal Adam are the Biblical Adam and Eve, even if they lived next door to each other.
     
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    Oh it's you again. Have another slice of fruitcake.
     
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    Kangaroo Feathers Hardline moderate

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    Yes. When a threead ostensibly about science starts with a Bible quote, I don't hope for much.
     
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    I do not blame questfortruth for he reaction to USSR preaching. They abused Science. Its going to be some time before the taint of that goes away. USSR told Scientists what to say, sometimes and attempted to make evolution part of a state religion. Of course that was wrong and evil.

    We also can't blame the ministries for panicking. They are raging as their congregations dwindle. They don't know what to do, so they are grabbing every possible scarecrow and flinging it at the congregations.
     
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    I nearly lost the will to live reading this.

    It is obvious that the author does not understand what Mitochondrial Adam and Eve are.
     
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    Just pure unadulterated crap !
     
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    Your missing an important point of billions of years of earth history and the evolution of life documented in the rock strata, and hundreds of thousands of human history documented in the rock strata, and millions of years of evidence of human evolution,
     
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    :( I am sorry to hear that. Those people who seem anti science today are going to be pro science, someday. Its how things work. ;) The chaos can't stay and undermines itself into something non chaotic. Are we not living in amazing times? There is love and good society builds up just like there is more matter than antimatter. Crystals grow you know.
     
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    'mud ~~ Life is Stuff ~~
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    Yah.....like I just said !
     
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    So you are doing science with lack of reading comprehension skills. Thats always entertainingly NORMAL. .
     
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    ... or much of anything else.
     
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    Bizzaro dishonest egregious, distortion of science to justify a religious fundamentalist Christian agenda.

    Qualifications and education are meaningless is you have no comprehension of science as science is.
     
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    You have already done this and failed.

    You misunderstanding or misrepresentation or total confusion regarding genetics does not make genetics bens to your will.
     
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    Well this is what happened when a creationist tried to mix religion (creationism) with science, as demonstrated in the OP...you get gibberish, because they don't understand the science
     
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    Can you prove, that it is gibberish? Anyone can lie.
     
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    .....and anyone can write gibberish.

    "Prove me wrong!" has been the cry of cranks and nutcases down the ages. It is up to the person making a claim to show he or she makes sense, not for readers to waste time on what looks like gibberish.
     
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