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Creation
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Guy Threepwood
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Generally speaking, creation is God to a Hindu... sarvam khalvidam brahma "all this is Brahman" (God, if you will).
godnotgod
Thou art That
It is God, playing Itself as 'The Universe'. So in one sense, it is God, and in another, only a reflection of God. The actor in a play becomes the character, but when the masks are removed, only the actor is real. So what is often called a 'creation' is in reality an illusion, God projecting himself/herself as the material world. There is no 'God' over there, and a 'creation' over here as two separate things; they are one and the same. That is why the great mystic Vivekenanda said:
"The Universe is The Absolute as seen through the glass of Time, Space, and Causation"
so brahman is a verb too? or action? and the forms it takes are infinite?
A verb?
No. Brahman can’t be described by a part of speech. The phrase is literally “all (sarvam) verily this (khalu+idam) [is] Brahman”. “All this verily/truly is Brahman”. Sanskrit doesn’t require use of the verb “to be”.
Not a Hindu, but this Druid has pretty much the same sentiment. The whole "creator and creation" thing as if they are separate is weird to me.
syo
Well-Known Member
Creation is reflection of God's wisdom, not god himself.
A verb?
if creation is brahman, then isn't brahman creating?
godnotgod
Thou art That
Brahman is The Changeless, projecting Itself as infinitely changing forms, all empty of self. Your true nature is the same nature as that of Brahman. You are Brahman, pretending not to be Brahman. Tat tvam asi.
"Bamboo shadows sweep the stairs,
Yet not a mote of dust is stirred;
Moonbeams pierce to the bottom of the pool,
Yet in the water not a trace remains."
禪林句集 Zenrin-kushū
godnotgod
Thou art That
As humans, we project an image of God which agrees with the image of ourselves; in this case, God as creator of the world as an artifact, because that is what we do. The classic images of God The Creator in Judaism is that of the architect of the world; the potter and his clay; the carpenter and his handicraft. This is the Ceramic, or Artifact view of the world, as compared to the Fully Automatic Universe view of the scientist. Now, Quantum Physics is changing all of that: the 'material' world is instead a 'superposition of possibilities', a view much closer to the Hindu view of the world as maya.
godnotgod
Thou art That
i've come to understand it as constant impermanence and paradox. if one could see air as matter, it's form would be like a kaleidoscope.
Not in my view. Creation is the manifestation or illusion of the Absolute.
No. Manifesting, not creating like in the Bible. Not an outside action.
the form is empty. the power animates the strings of the puppet.
i'm not using what you term the bible idea of creation. i'm not exclusively a christian, or anything definite.
i'm using the generally accepted definitions; which is giving rise to. something is being raised from something, or a thing being produced, or developed, from something.
in the christian NT the word gives rise to manifestation.
3 By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God’s command, so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible.
it can also be seen in the hebrew OT genesis 1 where God said.......... and then something arises, or something manifests.
in science string theory explains that everything vibrates.
sound familiar?
syo
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in christianity, the line is invisibility and immortality. creation is always visible and mortal. god no.
not necessarily true of all christians.
the form is irrelevant the action isn't
12 No one has ever seen God; but if we love one another, God lives in us and his love is made complete in us. this then is the image of god manifested.
made complete in us = manifest; which agrees with exodus 3:14
creation is the result of the action of God so loving herself. creation is the result of the spirit moving upon the waters
Well, that’s incorrect. Put aside the preconceived notions or comparisons.