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Creation vs. Evolution

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by Rex, Mar 19, 2004.

  1. inca

    inca Active Member

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    It's you the one who says we have found ape-man fossils. They were not. They were just apes. I answered but you didn't understand. Define what's bizarre, please and specially WHY do you think is bizarre. Perhaps cos you never heard it before! Weren't you the one who never heard the word "hypertricosis" or was somebody else? But, I'll explain more:
    Partial info leads to misunderstanding. You don’t know my whole thought. We have discussed pages just to know each other partial point of view. I don’t rely exclusively in Jewish account. I recognize we, humans, do possess an onthogenetic and collective memory which remembers historical facts like recorded by fire in our neurons, not mere archetypes or symbols. For instance, not too many people are aware the even in Sumerian account Adamu-Adapa was made in the image “selem” and likeness “dmut” of his creators exactly like Hebrew record, and the cuneiform account existed thousands of years before the Biblical episode. Chinese & Sumerian culture are linked in many ways. China didn’t have so much Christian influence to import their culture, yet some details in their ideograms are curious. The word “covet” is represented by the ideograms of a single woman staring a couple of trees (it can also mean she was staring the woods) and is the same old account of a woman desiring the fruit of a couple of trees (knowledge & everlasting life) which are omnipresent in Assyria, Babylonian and Sumerian accounts without talking about others. In Genesis we read 3 criticisms: snake blames the god is hiding information from the original couple; Adam blames god cos he gave him the wrong woman and Eve blames the snake who deceived her. In Chinese the equivalent of the word “critic” is 3 mouths. The word “vessel” is the composition of the ideogram for “ship” + 8 + mouth which reminds us there were 8 human mouths in the ark (Noah and his wife, his 3 sons and 3 respective wives).
    www.creationism.org/chinese2.jpg

    In Greek myths, PANdora was coveting the box that eventually caused all sort of evil and death in the world. PANdemonium and PANdora came form the same entity which was PAN, the goat-hybrid creature pretty much like the demons in the shape of goats related to Samael (Satan whose name is Semael in Sumerian account) and Lillith (Lulu or hybrid in Sumerian) as described in Isaiah 34:14. The name of Pandora’s husband was Epimeteus meaning “who thought after” (the consequences of her imprudence…like Adam) and of course, Pandora was made of clay. The Arabs, Meso and Southamerican people remember the use of blood in creation. The same details in spite of natural and logic oral deformation due to the passing of generations and generations.
    If we believe Genesis and Sumerian account, we are pushed to understand we were not naturally smarter than the rest of animals! We HAD to be transformed into the gods’ likeness in physical sense and in other aspects as well. They wanted to achieve something. What was their purpose you may ask? We were created to work or to “cultivate the land” (Genesis 2:5,6). Now, cultivate is a modern translation coming from the Latin word “cultus” but involves more than harvesting the fields. That’s why it’s given the detail in Eden there was gold of excellent quality (Genesis 2:10-12). Author Sitchin wants to give a literal translation of the places but he forgets the manuscripts passed through several hands so I disagree with him in where he marks the spot of those events (but that’s another story, right?). The detail explained in Genesis was explained extensively in Sumerian account. That is the famous gold given as gifts for the gods and not always as current money. That’s the gold “god” reclaims for himself (Hageus 2:8, the book after Zephaniah and before Zechariah). The astronauts today use gold –among other things- to wear it in their helmets to protect them from ultraviolet rays and we can interprete from Sumerian account the gods needed gold powder to use it in their own planet Nibiru to dodge the escape of gases. We were genetically modified not cos direct intervention of Almighty Himself nor for natural evolution but to do exactly what we are doing with apes now, yet the purpose was making an army of slave clones. The gods were fed up of mining gold themselves and wanted free hand work. The sin was related to sex as I said before. Yet sexual breeding provided the help and understanding of Adamus genes. In the moment the hybridation and sterilization problem is solved in the chromosomes, the couple bare children, the children of sin. That was not supposed to happen. It was like one of the episodes of Planet of the Apes when the ape couple had their chimp baby and humans wanted to kill them cos that would mean the extermination or competition with human beings. It’s reasonable to understand then why the gods talking un plural expelled them from Eden greenhouse pyramid laboratory, they were jealous or worried as Genesis 3:22-24 and 11:6, 7 clearly mentions. Sumerian account is much more detailed yet.
    A couple of critics here say I confuse science fiction with science. I’m not. I use the films & books as examples cos to be a science fiction writer like Clarke and Asimov you need to know real science to be a step ahead. Eventually real science return the favor converting science fiction into science. The film Space Odyssey 2001 was done before we went to the Moon. The film Battlefield Earth was based upon a science fiction writer who’s a Scientologist himself, R. Hubbard. I don’t know too much about these people but the little I know I disagree with them. Yet that writer is not completely lunatic in his books. In the film, the alien Psychlo is performed by a giant John Travolta with a GIANT SKULLS LIKE PERUVIAN SKULLS and Bob Marley hair and Spock eyebrows; he has 6 FINGERS IN ONE HAND ( a detail not too many spectators payed attention).

    www.s8int.com/giants1.html

    But if you consider what I say absurd cos lack of understanding why do I have to waste time and extra energy talking about the simian line on the palm of the hand of a certain mutant and the astonishing details which I'll rather than write about????? Hmmm?

    They come to Earth -in the film- and they need gold from the mines and use humans as slaves. The story takes place in the future though Sumerians explained the same plot thousands of years ago. Another version of the story is seen in Stargate when the alien Ra sends humans to planet in Orion constellation through a vortex with the liquid effect (similar to Casimir effect known in physics) to use them as slaves in the mines to supply his own technology to preserve his body like Egyptian mummification. He was the god who gave culture to ancient Egyptians but for a too high price. The ideas were taken from the research done by engineer Bauval, reporter Hancock, Egyptologist West, geologist Schol, Nasa consultant and Sumerian and Hebrew scholar, Sitchin, etc. In this case the advance of knowledge about the past led to science fiction about the future.
    So the choosing of apes to make genetic experiences was not because we were too bright in the past. It wasn’t practical to perform such wonders…let’s say in a dolphin. Human brain is bigger in volume (average 1.600 cc) than the chimps, the orangotango (500 cc), gorilla (600 cc) and chimp (600 cc). Dolphin brain is bigger than human, both of them have an average of 1600 cc but the brain of the dolphin has the double of number of circumvolutions (that means more cerebral power) and 3 times more cerebral cells. But it would be impractical to make genetic engineering on them living in the water! The gods needed human miners using their hands the same way Egyptians trained baboons to sweep their temples.
    Even creating such mingle of ape and gods’ image, the brain of the children in the jungle won’t help them too much unless they get in contact with a medium providing the program. An excellent Pentium without the programs is worthless like a new tv with flat liquid screen without programs to see! I believe that hallucinogenic “tree” was the perfect medium, like a glove for a hand.
    www.jornalinfinito.com.br/series.asp?cod=81
    www.jornalinfinito.com.br/series.asp?cod=80
    www.dhushara.com/book/consum/consum1.htm
    www.dhushara.com/book/wass/wasson3.htm
    www.montana.edu/wwwai/imsd/rezmeth/transmit.htm
    www.peyote.com
    www.umsl.edu/~rkeel/180/hallucin.html
     
  2. inca

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    Spiritual Son: What you do is eliminate the Hebrew source or grab to Christians interpretation. Nowhere in Genesis there's a reference to any "church" and your speculation of the meaning "regeneration" is not shared by the Hebrew understanding. Cain's wife accoding to the Book of Jubilees was his own sister-wife, an endogamy that started with the very Eve taken from Adam's flesh and bone, genetic endogamy to be exact. Women were not usually mentioned by name yet Genesis 5:4 admits Adam had daughters and sons. The Book of Jubilees provides the name AWAN.
    When it's said Cain met his woman it was not like the translations saying "met" or "knew" cos the Hebrew "yadha" means knowing by -sexual- experience. So, everytime there was such carnal knowledge a boy was born (Gen 4:1, 17 and in verse 25 we see the awful translation in some Bibles saying Adam knew his wife AGAIN). It was not a case of "glad to meet you again darling" but I guess you need to research more in this forum to get rid of Christian repetitions in the same books.
    What I post from Principles of Physics was taken from reknown physicist Ph D Gerald Schroeder. Everything else is based upon scientific facts. Has anybody hear an unknown guy say "I wanna see the math" Allow us to laugh! The poor old decrepit guy doesn't even know how to multiply! If he wanna know, he shall do his homework, don't you agree??? Let's continue to ignore his oh-oh-oh wonderful insight about the topic! HA-HA-HA!
     
  3. inca

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    Please click on yellow letters to read "gold of excellent quality"..
     
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    By the way, Q's prediction about the future of Earth and Mars is wrong too!
     
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    Good question I'm wondering the same thing :lol:


    Once again:

    If humans didn't evolve, then why don't we find any human fossils way back in the fossil record? Why, instead, are there so many fossils that appear to be partly ape, then half ape half human, then partly human, then mostly ape? What is your alternative theory to explain these observations (a scientific explaination please--no sci fi movies)?

    Are the following photographs fossils of modern man, exactly how we are today? Or are they photos of modern apes, exactly as they are today? If not, how do you scientifically explain these fossils which share characteristics of both man and ape?

    http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/homs/sts5.jpg
    http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/homs/oh24.jpg
    http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/homs/1813.jpg
    http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/homs/java.jpg
    http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/homs/1470.jpg
    http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/homs/3733.jpg
    http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/homs/15000_side.jpg
     
  7. painted wolf

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    maybe the aliens had to give it a few goes before they got it right?

    still doesn't explain where all the othe animals came from...

    :eek:mg:

    wa:-do
     
  8. painted wolf

    painted wolf Grey Muzzle

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    ok didn't know where elce to put this... but I wanted to share some fun info...

    from the Jurnal Nature:
    http://www.nature.com/nature/links/040325/040325-1.html
    http://www.nature.com/nsu/040322/040322-9.html

    Scientists looking into muscular problems such as Muscular Distrophy wondered why other Apes don't have such problems... so they began looking closer at the genes involved with mussel devolpment and found that a mutation in the genes prevents us from producing the protein called MYH16 a key to devolping the massive jaw mussels that let other apes chew tough plant matter.... To support these massive mussels they need crests of bone on the roofs of thier skulls that act as anchors... they also limit how large the brain cavity can expand... we lost the ability to make such large mussels and lost the need for such crests of bone.. and in time this helped to alow us to grow bigger brains.

    just one of the many little things that let us become who we are today...

    wa:-do
     
  9. Mr Spinkles

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    ROTFLMAO!!

    :lol:

    I hope the aliens don't draft me, I'm a hemophiliac! :eek:mg:
     
  10. Alaric

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    Excellent! We know where the vegetarians are headed!
     
  11. inca

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    Painted Wolf understood it quite well. Similar characteristics doesn't mean they were man for Christ sake! Have you seen someone with duplication of chromosome 21? Now imagine him with hirsutism. Would that convert him into an orangotango? The so called ape-man didn't survive the apes. They were mutants and indeed according to Sumerian account many tentatives were made and most of them resulted in these hairy monsters. The final experience used at least 7 Adamus or Adapas to get it finally right. Didn't you understand the example of breeding different species of modern apes won't produce new specie? You have to review again what the scientists explain about mutation. So you can ask me the same question 1000 times and still won't understand. You still use the same argument that "similar skulls" has to prove half-way missing link.
    Painted Wolf: According to Genesis and Sumerian account the beings were not created but just "form" according to their own "kind". Modern clasification of "specie", "family", etc, still proves you can't cross same DNA barriers. Only by genetic manipulation eventually in the future may be possible but not naturally. You know even cloning was extremely difficult cos the Scottish scientist won't give too much emphasis to the fact many failure tentatives were done before until the desired achievment. I have said and repeat the geological strata reveals an explosion of different kind of life appears in different moments. Yet there was no evolution or missing links between them, all parts of the fossils don't have transformation of legs, wings or whatever. The parts were complete. Hence "macroevolution" term was invented admiting the evolution came so fast that the half-way fossils were no longer required. So evolutionists have to accept by faith (very convinient) something in the past was attributed to slow-motion time effect happening in millions of years of evolution. Darwin of course feared the evidence would make the readers distrust his theory that's why in his Origin of Species 7 times he says readers should ignore the fossil evidence. He used faith believing in the future the fossils would eventually reveal what he couldn't find. Here we are an the fossils remain as ever, no missing links. If the "hominids" were survived until now, a comparision of skulls between them and the photos of the sites provided here wouldn't show so much difference. Mosquitos were mosquitos since they came until now, so the rest of animals. To believe missing link in other species is as fallacious as believing in "hominids". To trust they didn't survive cos of competence or whatever reason repeated over and over ain't science either. But we're spinning in circles now and I'm beginning to be bore.
     
  12. inca

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    Einstein said: "science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind". :clap: :clap: :clap: ...... :goodjob:
    In Chinese language "tempter" is the ideogram for devil + 2 trees + covered. Interesting the fact Ezekiel 28 : 13 to 20 compares the cocky attitude of Tyrus king with the cherub in Eden who sinned against god. In verses 14 and 16 the Hebrew equivalent of protector or the one who "covered" was included. In Chinese "create" is depicted with the symbols for dust (mud)+alive+mouth+ walking which reminds us the Biblical episode of using clay in the Adamus experiment and he became alive after "soul" was insuflated and the use of Hebrew "neshama" means "breathing". In Chinese Devil is garden(field)+alive+secret+man(son) while Supreme Being is the association between emperor+above.
    www.creationism.org/csshs/v06n2p04.htm
    www.creationism.org/csshs/v07n4p24.htm
    More about languages and evolution inspiring science fiction :mrgreen: :
    www.creationism.org/csshs/v13n2p27.htm
    www.creationism.org/csshs/v12n4p25.htm
    www.creationism.org/csshs/v15n4p18.htm
    www.creationism.org/csshs/v16n4p24.htm
    www.creationism.org/csshs/v14n2p23.htm
     
  13. inca

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    In one of the sites it's mentioned the Logos, Verb or Word of God. This is not just a concept coming from John 1:1. It's even remembered in the Popul Vuh of Quiche people.
    Please, Mr Q, it's confirmed your "confirmations" mean nothing and your QI is absent. Come now and "ramble" your bad opinions against Joseph Campbell too. Would it be a surprise? Not at all! I really LOVE your virulent messages and tactic, you glue something I post and make an almost monosyllabic uh-oh-uh-oh stummering statement in one single sentence, repeat the same a fistful of times and then, MR Q has achieved grandiloquent intelligent & scientific paragraph with a bunch of pertinent info. HE-HE!
     
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    Oba-oba-oba! Don't tell me. I suspect Mr. Q following message won't add too much to the theme here. Now he will probably change his tactic and will say something very very very bright. For example a detailed examination of MY tactics. Don't bother. We all know it. I wrote a synthesis of my thought and set many sites in case somebody else wants to have many details. Sometimes I don't write anything at all and I just quote the sites. Something else to add? Oh yes, I know, your personal opinion about me. C'mon, spit it out, I know you wanna do a massage to my ego paying me the attention we all deserve.....
     
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    Dare I ask, where? :killme:
     
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    Well, with the bone crests and the leaf-chewing and the brain size and... well it was funny when I wrote it! :oops: Just connecting the dots, you know...
     
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    Everything else is based upon scientific facts. Has anybody hear an unknown guy say "I wanna see the math" Allow us to laugh! The poor old decrepit guy doesn't even know how to multiply! If he wanna know, he shall do his homework, don't you agree???

    Hardly a scientific fact, you make another ridiculous claim regarding statistics without citing a source or showing the math. If you can’t produce the numbers, then shut up.
     
  20. inca

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    Shut yourself up! I provided the name of the scientist. If you wanna know something more do homework or are that skeptical it's your business. I'm not writing to you. I ignore what you solicite, got it? Besides only the owner of this site has the capacity to shut me or the moderator. If he's showed enough patience to bear us (even you), who do you think you are to ask me to stop???? If other participant disagrees or agrees with me I will answer. You're no one and know nothing! Don't you get tired or bored to write the same thing over and over that my statements are ridiculous. Don't you have 1% brain even to make a different "scientific argument"? Keep on writing, no answer for you...only smiling. Don't deserve even a single laugh.
     
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