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Covid by the numbers

Discussion in 'COVID-19' started by We Never Know, Jul 23, 2021.

  1. We Never Know

    We Never Know Well-Known Member

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    They release the numbers of the vaccinated
    They release the numbers of the unvaccinated
    They release the numbers of the unvaccinated getting covid
    They release the numbers of the vaccinated getting covid

    I would like to know the numbers of the people who already had covid that are getting infected again. And whether they had or had not taken the vaccine after they recovered from the virus.
     
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  2. Twilight Hue

    Twilight Hue Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.

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    I would stick with metrics and per capita data.

    Trust nothing else.
     
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  3. Stevicus

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    I tried to find information on how many people who already had COVID got infected again. I've heard that there have been some cases of people getting it again, along with people getting it even though they've been fully vaccinated.

    And now with this delta variant coming out, it's hard to know how effective the vaccine actually is. I was fully vaccinated back in March, but are we going to need booster shots?

    I guess it means this thing is going to be a tough thing to lick. We may have to get vaccinated every year, and even then, some people might still get it. I guess there's no perfect cure, but if we can reduce it or make the symptoms less severe, it could save some lives.
     
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  4. We Never Know

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    I've always said since last summer in my opinion its going to be yearly shots like the flu and pneumonia. Just like the flu and pneumonia vaccines don't prevent you from getting sick but in many cases(not all) cut the severity of them.
     
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    My hope is it mutates into a less severe variation. Like Spanish flu is now.
     
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    Well, hopefully, they might be able to come up with better vaccines in the years to come when they've had more time to study it. That is, if it doesn't go away on its own, which it doesn't seem to be.
     
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    Yet if there's was a study for..
    -Vaccinated people that were infected
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    -People who already had covid getting re-infected
    And compared the severity and numbers we could learn something about natural and vaccine immunity
     
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    Sure, but would it matter much?

    I mean, it's not like having everyone get infected with the disease to gain herd immunity is ever going to be an option.
    The vaccine is an effective method to achieve herd immunity fast without millions of death.
    Even if natural immunity is a few % more effective, it's not like that's gonna change anything.
     
  9. 9-10ths_Penguin

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    Natural immunity is not as good as vaccine-acquired immunity.

    Here's an NIH article - with links to the referenced studies - that goes into more detail: How Immunity Generated from COVID-19 Vaccines Differs from an Infection

    Basically, vaccines perform consistently well against the variants out there, but natural immunity offers much less consistency in protecting against variants other than the one the person was infected with.

    I'm also remembering - though right now I can't find the link to the interview where they mention the study - that vaccine-acquired immunity is showing signs that it's likely to be longer-lasting than naturally-acquired immunity. However, from what I recall, the evidence is preliminary (positive, but preliminary) and I can't remember if this was specific to mRNA vaccines or all the ones out there.
     
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    Indeed, read something like that as well the other day.

    Point remains though. Even if it would turn out that natural immunity performs marginally better, it's not like that would yield other options other then mass vaccination to get through this.
     
  11. 9-10ths_Penguin

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    Indeed. Especially since for natural immunity, "performs marginally better" means "performs marginally better for the survivors after killing lots of people."
     
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