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COVID-19 -- The US is falling behind the rest of the world
- Thread starter Evangelicalhumanist
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halbhh
The wonder and awe of "all things".
Yes, we are doing poorly, because many people were convinced by example and rhetoric that masks are not important. But as recent research results have shown now repeatedly -- masks really help prevent much of the spread.
There are nations that are doing even worse (in ratio to their population), such as Brazil (which is seriously under reporting their cases and deaths, but currently is worst nonetheless in deaths per day). Brazil is doing even worse than us in part due to their political leader showing even worse attitudes, replicating Trump at his worst. Example matters, because many will follow example.
The most profound failure now, today, is that too many Americans don't realize how beneficial it is to save lives (of others usually) by wearing masks.
We are witnessing unconscionable daily malfeasance that kills indiscriminately for political advantage. Generations of Americans will look back on this period with a combination of wonder and shame.
Some states are doing worse than others. Even where I live in deep blue CA, the picture is not looking good. I thought the county I live in, Contra Costa, was way way better but even here we're going south but not as fast as some other places. I read that Florida had a 73% increase since last Sunday.
But then I read today that Germany is starting to have a flare-up as well.
Even China which is utterly authoritarian and backs up orders with real threats can't seem to stamp out the virus.
So yes, we're in almost the worst shape but even if we did the best job, we'd still be in the soup.
But then I read today that Germany is starting to have a flare-up as well.
Even China which is utterly authoritarian and backs up orders with real threats can't seem to stamp out the virus.
So yes, we're in almost the worst shape but even if we did the best job, we'd still be in the soup.
Wandering Monk
Well-Known Member
The individual states are screwing up the case count. Texas and Florida have reported both PCR and antibody tests TOGETHER. The former is for current infections, the latter is for past infections.
Knowing this, the only useful metrics seems to be hospitalizations or deaths.
Knowing this, the only useful metrics seems to be hospitalizations or deaths.
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Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
At what? Protracting the misery?
I think suffocating your state out of existence and quarantining your people into a bubble isn't exactly coming out ahead on the other side of the coin.
Wandering Monk
Well-Known Member
Here are daily Covid deaths in the US:
Yes, an interesting graph. However, it omits something important in the graph that I presented, which is that while the infection rate stubbornly refuses to drop, one can only assume that the death rate will likewise do so. Granted this is trying to see into the future, but the evidence, in this case, supports that sort of bleak view.
Wandering Monk
Well-Known Member
I haven't found a site that gives data on US hospitalizations, try as I may.
this is a better metric! Since it is a virus, I know it will never go away. But it seems like it is heading in the right direction. Antibodies must be on the increase since more people are contracting Covid but less deaths.
total total total
states new tests positive negative deaths.
so. death rate of those contracting covid 5%
This has a margin of error - should be less because I have friends who found out they have antibodies. So many have had it but didn't know it was Covid.
EDIT - it doesn't post like I see it.
56 States and protectorates
new tests 2269445
Postitive 24815445
total deaths 113749
states new tests positive negative deaths.
so. death rate of those contracting covid 5%
This has a margin of error - should be less because I have friends who found out they have antibodies. So many have had it but didn't know it was Covid.
EDIT - it doesn't post like I see it.
56 States and protectorates
new tests 2269445
Postitive 24815445
total deaths 113749
Wandering Monk
Well-Known Member
I agree with your underlying point; I am just trying to get a handle on the future.
Coronavirus (COVID-19) tracker, latest cases in Canada
Canada has a death rate of 8%
So it appears that it is Canada that is falling behind on its ability to control the contagion.
Canada, please tell us why and what are you doing to limit this problem?
Wandering Monk
Well-Known Member
Here are Long Term Care and Assisted Living deaths in my state as a percentage of total death on a daily basis. Numbers above 100% are from delayed reporting, if I had to guess.
Wandering Monk
Well-Known Member
Holy Cow! Just looking at the US Federal Dataset for resident deaths in nursing homes. This does not include long term care facilities.
In the US there have been, as of June 18, there have been 78,182 cumulative resident deaths in nursing homes across the nations. On June 18 that represented 66% of cumulative US deaths tracked by the University of Virginia Biocomplexity Institute.
In the US there have been, as of June 18, there have been 78,182 cumulative resident deaths in nursing homes across the nations. On June 18 that represented 66% of cumulative US deaths tracked by the University of Virginia Biocomplexity Institute.
VoidoftheSun
Necessary Heretical, Fundamentally Orthodox
Great time to have a holiday hitchhiking across the US 
Interesting, is it not, that a lot of young, insouciant people -- who will take a social risk, maybe have a fever, a cough, a little time in hospital -- and then visit their highly at-risk elders, and condemn them to death.
That is the thing that too many people are not thinking about. Sure, they're old and will die eventually anyway -- but is that any reason to speed the process up? Maybe it is, I suppose -- if you are selfish enough.
I don't volunteer to die for your sake.
We need to hold the line as treatments are developed and become available as they're doing. We need to hold the line until there is an effective vaccine available which is coming soon (even if it's only good for one year, that's good enough). We need to hold the line to not overwhelm hospitals and medical professionals and we're doing that in most places.
There's a middle ground between total lock down and bodies in the street. If we had stayed locked down another week or so and had opened more slowly, we'd be in much MUCH better shape today.
If the expletive idiots who refuse to wear masks and distance would do what's needed, we could open much faster. Their selfishness is prolonging the agony.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
We just don't want to take the drastic measures need to get out of this. The boarders should have been shut tight early on, testing and isolating a national imperative, and, of course, we'd need competent and empathetic leadership that isn't a malignant tumor in human form.
It's not a hopeless or powerless situation. Rather people's over-inflated sense of entitlement, combined with Trump's claims of hoaxes and little flus and it would be taken care of early on has made any sort of response that is better than shameful impossible.
Funny, that OP graph -- showing the US as the outlier it always seems to want to be.
Even if it is to its own detriment.
I wonder if, as the world grows smaller and smaller, there might be a better way...
Even if it is to its own detriment.
I wonder if, as the world grows smaller and smaller, there might be a better way...