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Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by The Hammer, Apr 7, 2020.

  1. epronovost

    epronovost Well-Known Member

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    Why not responsible for the poor choices of others?

    Indeed, but what how is that important. It's not like your deity wasn't able to make another set of first human if he wanted to. He could have also memory wiped them "Men in Black style" or any other magic trick with similar effect, unless your deity is that kind of weakling...
     
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    'KJV " Thou shall Not kill " ( aka murder )
    There is a BIG difference between: killing, murder and an execution for the sake of justice.
    God only intervened when people were beyond reform, beyond repenting.
    If there was No divine involvement in Noah's day there would have be No one righteous left on Earth.
    So, the Flood, Sodom and Gomorrah for example was a divine execution for the sake of the righteous.
    In Scripture, parents are responsible for minor children - 1 Corinthians 7:14
     
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    Thank you for your reply and pointing out there being more than one meaning.
     
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    I see what you are saying. But, we still made the poor choice; therefore, we are bearing the consequences. God is not weak He desired a real relationship with us. This may be a poor example, but it is like when people date: you don't call someone weak because the person they were pursuing broke up with them.
     
  5. epronovost

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    The strong do what they can; the weak suffer what they must. I completely agree with this axiom. The consequences of those choices also falls upon your deity's lap and responsability. He built the system and the punishments that goes with them.

    If they start trying to punish the person who broke up with them, they are, in my opinion, one of the weakest thing there is and doubly more so if they means to actually punish those who broke up with them.
     
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    Interesting about making another Adam and Eve.
    Wiping them out, then angelic life could have viewed God as being some sort of bully.
    Plus, God's purpose as per Genesis 1:28 is that we all be descendants of Adam and Eve.

    No magic trick, more like as if you were out working in your garden:
    Someone comes along and interrupts you.
    Would you say because I was interrupted I am Not going back to my garden_______
    Or, once the interruption was over you would return to your garden _______

    Satan came along and threw a monkey wrench into God's garden purpose.
    Once the issues raised in Eden are settled, then we will go back to God's garden purpose.
    Back to a beautiful paradisical Earth as described it will be in Isaiah 35th chapter.
     
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    Awesome! Thanks for the correction. I would hate to continue to spread BS.
     
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  8. epronovost

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    I can see three solution

    1) Aren't angels without free will and thus "forced" to approve of God no matter what

    2) Destroy the angels too at the same time is also a possiblity; then nobody is none the wiser and the casualties are lower than doing nothing.

    3) Just kill Satan before he does anything wrong or don't create him at all.
     
  9. URAVIP2ME

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    We'd have to be robots, automatons, in order to Not make choices.
    Robots don't love. God wants us to choose, have free-will choices to love or Not love.
    Right away as soon as the bad happened in Eden God lovingly promised a Messiah to come for us - Genesis 3:15.
     
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    It is not God's fault that we chose to disobey and suffer the consequences. But we are still responsible for all the pain and hurt in the world because of our choice. If Adam had chosen to obey God the perfect world and perfect relationship between man and God would have continued. Granted my example was a very poor one.
     
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  11. epronovost

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    Or we could be wise and always make the right choice... or your deity could be impossibly convincing and always persuade people to make the right choices even if it wasn't their first impulse. He could also prevent bad choices from having any lasting effect either or all sorts of magic trick; imagination is the limit bro.
     
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    Would the three solutions settle issues _______
    Satan is a fallen angel by his free-will choice.
    ALL angels are Not bad angels.
    Kill Satan before he does wrong: that would be judging a person before they do wrong as being wrong.
     
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    Nope, he made the system and the rules and he applies them as he sees fit thus he is responsible. You can't make the rules and not be responsible for the rules at the same time.
     
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    Since God decides what is wrong or not, the point is moot. He can kill whoever he wants and call it justice can he not?
     
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    God is responsible for the rules and the consequences that come with them. However, we chose to disobey the rules and suffer the consequences. Therefore, we are responsible for the consequences were dealt out.
     
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    Science told science that because science changed the natural form of God, being stone, not radiation mass/radiation energy that it caused their own homosexuality, for it changed AI feed back.

    AI feed back is machine science encoded false image projection back to self.

    So males and females live their natural life, own their own natural bodies and know that self in natural life is either a human male or a human female. Irradiation effect changes feed back and the DNA that you inherit is for human form, but it might have been lived owned by a female rationally before you owned it as a male life inheritance.

    You then get affected by the real life previous owner of DNA...and as DNA irradiates mutates, which involves in DNA chemistry, cellular health and blood, it is why the homosexual selves gained a blood disorder, and developed the virus in their bodies.

    How science used to explain that determined status in old science language was to be cursed. And a curse is actually how a SINE signal moves. Cursive sign movement. Science radiation converting of God natural radio wave sine signals is the reason.

    Today in modern day life the virus is gained due to ICE/melt. And Ice if you cared to reason once was snap frozen water in the life and atmospheric signals and microbes of dinosaurs. We never lived then.

    Science radiation ground fall forms crop circles. The ancients calling them curses said it was the Devil mowing.

    And fall out is a world O God Earth continued bombardment by nuclear sciences...and ground UFO landing would use ICE to cool itself. Why you can see crop circle patterns in ice also. It was a cooling mechanism, that supported our life being attacked, yet not destroyed.

    As simple an explanation from a non scientist, but a Healer spiritual advice study of life on Earth and why it changed. I do not support spiritually what occurred, but as I love my family you have to just accept what science has caused...unnatural living conditions.
     
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    However, Adam was created with upright leanings.
    Only could Adam sin: on purpose, willfully, deliberately.
    Then, Adam lost his moral uprightness by turning himself into a self-made sinner.
    Whereas we can sin by mistake, by accident.
    This is only temporary until Jesus comes.
     
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    Yes, the rule is that we are all free to act responsibly toward God.....
     
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    The rules and consequences are the sum total of existence. Your deity is thus responsible for everything all the time good or bad, important or negligeable. He is responsible for every act of kindness and every horror and every weird thing. Absolute power gives absolute responsability. If you find the world ugly and full of horror; look up into the heavens and know that if your deity exists and is all that it claims that this horror was his desire or his faillure.
     
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    Then whence comes the need for punishment and justice? That rule, by its structure, is optionnal.
     
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