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Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by The Hammer, Apr 7, 2020.

  1. Timelli

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    Also, who gets to set the standard for innocence verses guiltiness?
     
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    That doesn't matter actually. Your argument is sufficently silly that no matter how you spin it, it still turns out silly.
     
  3. Timelli

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    Well it does because that standard decides the justness of an action. If the standard is subjective than I can decide for myself whether killing someone is just or not.
     
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    Indeed, you are perfectly correct.

    PS: keep on going you might unravel the reason why your argument is so fantastically silly all by yourself (which is a lot more interesting and profound than having someone point it out).
     
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  5. Mestemia

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    It is painfully obvious he needs to stop practicing homosexuality to avoid more punishments from God
     
  6. Timelli

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    So, according to the Bible, God is the standard and we fall very short of that standard making us the guilty and God innocent.
     
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    In Scripture the person responsible for it all is ->Satan, and by way of extension Adam.
    Remember: In Scripture God gifted His intelligent creation with free-will choices.
    First sinner -> Satan, and Satan wants us humans to worship him.
    Adam freely chose to break God's Law and by doing that Adam took the Law out of God's hands.
    Thus, Adam put the Law into man's hands and he set up People Rule as superior to God Rule.
    Satan challenges all of us ( Job 2:4-5 )
    ' Touch our 'flesh' ' ( loose physical health ) and we would Not serve God.
    Both Job and Jesus under adverse conditions proved Satan a liar and so can we.
     
  8. URAVIP2ME

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    Rather: Satan and Adam are the guilty ones.
    Because we are 'innocent' of what Satan and Adam did is why God sent pre-human sinless Jesus to Earth fore us.
    Jesus will undo all the wrongs Satan and Adam brought upon us -> www.jw.org
     
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  9. Mestemia

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    As soon as the Biblical God shows up....

    Until then it is on man.
     
  10. Dan From Smithville

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    What do you mean by "pre-human"?
     
  11. epronovost

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    Thus God is responsible for them making bad decision. If you design a system where bad outcomes can happen you are responsible for those bad outcomes.
     
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  12. URAVIP2ME

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    I would like to take the liberty to add that 'No one is innocent' except for sinless Jesus.
    This is why a sinless Jesus could pay the ransom for us - Matthew 20:28
    - www.jw.org
     
  13. Timelli

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    I agree.
     
  14. epronovost

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    If we are designed as the Bible state and we all fall very short wouldn't that be a flaw in design? Who is responsible for that flaw in design?
     
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    We fall short because of our own choices. The reason for us having the ability to choose comes from the fact that God did not want people that were robots. God wanted a relationship with people who chose to obey Him and reciprocate His love.
     
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    Thus all poor choices are his fault since they were the prices for him having worshipers. He wanted love so badly he was ready to murder half the world so the other half could praise him (so to speak). Your deity is different sort of weakling than that of Good-Ole-Rebel, but a weakling notheless.

    PS: If your deity only wants people who do exactly has he says when he says it and love him, how different are such people from robots who are designed to to do as he says when he says it and love him? It's a bit a distinction without a difference don't you think
     
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  17. URAVIP2ME

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    In Scripture, God sent His heavenly Son to Earth for us.
    So, Jesus lived in the heavens before his God sent heavenly Jesus to Earth to be born here as a human.
    Since No human on Earth could prove to be sinless, then we needed someone to help us.
    Help us out get out of the trap of sin and death.
    First, the passing of time was needed for us to be born and to think who we would like as Sovereign over us.
    Since we can't stop sinning is why we die.
    We can't resurrect oneself or another, so we need someone who can resurrect us - Jesus can - Revelation 1:18
    This is why we are all invited to pray the invitation of Rev. 22:20 for Jesus to come!
    Come and undo all the damage Satan and Adam brought upon us.
     
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    And from a truly German perspective there were no innocent Italians, but that still doesn't make murdering people for a crime they didn't commit to be anything but morally reprehensible.
     
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    Well, the poor choices of Satan and Adam.
    If God would have wiped out Adam and Eve right away we simply would Not be here.
    Once the issue raised in Eden as to ' who governs best ' is settled then God's worshippers will gain all good choices.
     
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    Ah. I see what you mean by 'pre-human'. Thank you for clarifying that. Pre-human has other meanings and I was a bit confused about what you meant.
     
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