Well, that's certainly convenient...
For what?
It is the case, and the point is that most of the people who are infected don't know they are.If that's the case, then only the infected should be required to mask up...
Welcome to Religious Forums, a friendly forum to discuss all religions in a friendly surrounding.
Your voice is missing! You will need to register to get access to the following site features:We hope to see you as a part of our community soon!
Well, that's certainly convenient...
It is the case, and the point is that most of the people who are infected don't know they are.If that's the case, then only the infected should be required to mask up...
For what?
It is the case, and the point is that most of the people who are infected don't know they are.
Maybe you're underestimating it?My motivation is the actual fear that I see and the overreaction of so many people. I am of the group that is labelled "in danger of" - grey haired. And even I think it is overblown.
Considering how far and how fast sneezes can project droplets of air, and add wind currents to that, I don't think giving a wide berth, or even walking the opposite direction away from someone who has just sneezed, into their elbow or not, is overblown at all.I have sneezed into my arm for almost 66 years but to have a couple, that have masks on for protection, actually turn around an go in the opposite direction is just plain ridiculous.
This is foolhardy reasoning on your part. "Plague, what plague," they say in denial of the threat. "I don't see anyone sick here.". This is foolishness.We don't have a 100% of people with Covid. In our area we have a total of 11 deaths - .00002 of the county population. Our infection for the last 4 months is .0006 of the total population and people are acting like "I'm going to die tomorrow". That is a rate of probability of 5 - one hundred THOUSANDTHS a day of a chance of getting it let alone dying from it.
Considering how far and how fast sneezes can project droplets of air, and add wind currents to that, I don't think giving a wide berth, or even walking the opposite direction away from someone who has just sneezed, into their elbow or not, is overblown at all.
This is foolhardy reasoning on your part. "Plague, what plague," they say in denial of the threat. "I don't see anyone sick here.". This is foolishness.
People get sick from this at work. That's why they are not going into work because there is no natural immunities built up against this, and the death rather is astronomically beyond a common cold or the seasonal flu. Have you not been paying attention to the news? Are you in denial of reality?Notice how we have been doing that for ages... did that stop you from going to work? Or did you cover your mouth.
I don't see any fallacy. I do hear denialism loud and clear however. "It's merely a flesh wound," says the black knight as his arm was just cut off by a sword.There is a fallacy on this statement.... somewhere.
People get sick from this at work. That's why they are not going into work because there is no natural immunities built up against this, and the death rather is astronomically beyond a common cold or the seasonal flu. Have you not been paying attention to the news? Are you in denial of reality?
I don't see any fallacy. I do hear denialism loud and clear however. "It's merely a flesh wound," says the black knight as his arm was just cut off by a sword.
You could go back and check for yourself, but I'll copy and paste it here for you. "Notice how we have been doing that for ages... did that stop you from going to work? Or did you cover your mouth."I didn't say "Go to work sick"... where did I say that?
Again, you could do this yourself, but I'll be kind and do it for you again. "We don't have a 100% of people with Covid. In our area we have a total of 11 deaths - .00002 of the county population. Our infection for the last 4 months is .0006 of the total population and people are acting like "I'm going to die tomorrow". That is a rate of probability of 5 - one hundred THOUSANDTHS a day of a chance of getting it let alone dying from it."I never said "ignore that it exists" - where did I say that?
Maybe the above will help you with your own fallacies. Then again, you probably won't see what is obvious, because that is a symptom of denialism.Maybe that will help you with fallacies.
You could go back and check for yourself, but I'll copy and paste it here for you. "Notice how we have been doing that for ages... did that stop you from going to work? Or did you cover your mouth."
Again, you could do this yourself, but I'll be kind and do it for you again. "We don't have a 100% of people with Covid. In our area we have a total of 11 deaths - .00002 of the county population. Our infection for the last 4 months is .0006 of the total population and people are acting like "I'm going to die tomorrow". That is a rate of probability of 5 - one hundred THOUSANDTHS a day of a chance of getting it let alone dying from it."
One of the problems with that is asymptomatic carriers who don't know they're infected.Well, that's certainly convenient...
If that's the case, then only the infected should be required to mask up...
You are unaware that people can be asymptomatic and carriers of Covid19? So, let's say Jim shows no symptoms (asymptomatic), yet has a sniffle from his normal allergies. Or not even a sniffle. But just something stuck in his nose and he sneezes, three times in a row, as in your example. Guess what? Covid19 has just exploded in a mushroom cloud into the room where everyone is is trapped.Let me give you insight... I didn't say "sick". Sneezing is a NORMAL act that your body does on a continual basis. Some people sneeze three times in a row... and it isn't because "I am sick and need to stay home".
Does that help you?
Did I say you said it doesn't exist? No. What you are doing that is wrong, and is denialism, is downplaying it as no big deal. "Crisis? What crisis? It's merely a flesh wound". That is denialism. And that is irresponsible.So... did this say "it doesn't exist"?
Does that help you?
Maybe read this from BBC, and after the first few paragraphs the article gets into what the current research is showing: Why we should all be wearing face masksIf a mask is that necessary, then why aren't 'essential employees' who have chosen not to mask up dying by the thousands? If mask are so effective, why aren't we forcing felons in prisons to wear them instead of releasing them into the streets?
A personal friend of ours contacted the virus and had to self-quarantine at home for two weeks. She had done everything recommended as far as preventing the infection. She wore the mask, use the sanitizers, had her groceries delivered--the whole nine yards. She thinks she may have contacted it at work; and out the 100 plus people she worked with only seven came down with covid. The others tested negative for infection and none have come down with the sickness since the initial 'outbreak'. Also, she had the symptoms for at least a week before she went to be tested, but the other members of her household tested negative for any virus and they ares still virus free. She is now back in the work force and she is an advocate for the mask. Although we totally respect her view, I have to stop myself from pointing out that she is a perfect example of why the mask is a total waste of time.
You are unaware that people can be asymptomatic and carriers of Covid19? So, let's say Jim shows no symptoms (asymptomatic), yet has a sniffle from his normal allergies. Or not even a sniffle. But just something stuck in his nose and he sneezes, three times in a row, as in your example. Guess what? Covid19 has just exploded in a mushroom cloud into the room where everyone is is trapped.
They are saying now that the majority of carriers are asymptomatic. So the rule of "if you show signs of sickness stay home", does not apply here.
Does that help you?
Did I say you said it doesn't exist? No.
Does that help you?
Does that help you?"I don't see anyone sick here.". This is foolishness.
I haven't gone haywire at all. I've been precise and accurate in response to every haywire thing you've said.So, take this into context in all of what has been said.
1) I said "sneeze" and you went haywire from there.
First of all, just to clarify, you understand what an asymptomatic carrier means? That means, you've got Covid19, but don't show any symptoms. It does not mean as you seem to have just said, that you don't have any symptoms, so you wear a mask to protect yourself from others. That is absolutely incorrect if that's what you meant. The asymptomatic person, is the one who should be wearing the mask to protect others from themselves, not knowing if they have it or not.2) If someone is asymptomatic - then you can wear a mask so that you don't have to get what someone else has. But you don't have to close down society, all you have to do is to wear that mask. (Which people have been asymptomatic with many things but you seemed to live without a care before)
I'm not sure what you are saying is true. Are they denying treatment to people who will die if not treated? I've not heard that before. I do know that things like gallbladder surgery for things that are not immediately life-threatening are being put off, but that is not what you are claiming. You're claiming they are denied treatment, and now are going to die as a direct result of that. You need to source that, and please let it be something credible, and not Fox "news", which is really just political entertainment shows, like Rush Limbaugh. I require something credible.3) You don't close down every hospital need just because Covid is out there. People who can catch cancer before it is too late are in the "too late" category today
Who's ignoring these? But I think these claims by the denier crowds, that "masses of people are going to commit suicide", are full of beans. There is no data supporting such claims of mass suicides (other than maybe some Wall Street rich ******** whose god is money offing themselves because their god is dead).4) You have to take into consideration of lost jobs, lost homes, lost business, lost peace of mind causing suicides, depression, lost schooling, et al.
Do we ignore all of the consequences?
One of the problems with that is asymptomatic carriers who don't know they're infected.
Actually, I find it pretty inconvenient.Again, this is certainly convenient...