Salaam alaikum my friend, and thank you for your patience.
Yet it doesn’t. Cousin marriage is not something that is not allowed… yet for some reason two babies who suckle from the same breast, even if unrelated, can’t get married. Why is this? What is the genetic risk there?
Cool, thank you for sharing this.
Isn’t the same true with a gift or an act of charity? If two people agree to place a gamble of money and according to their agreement one wins and one loses, what harm was done?
No problem my brother, here it is:
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They ask you (O Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم) concerning alcoholic drink and gambling. Say: "In them is a great sin, and (some) benefit for men, but the sin of them is greater than their benefit." And they ask you what they ought to spend. Say: "That which is beyond your needs." Thus Allah makes clear to you His Laws in order that you may give thought."
I am sorry to hear about this, it is always sad when someone has a disease. It is however been documented that in populations where consanguinity is practiced there are higher rates of birth defects. I am glad the people around you have not been affected.
In my family, my parents sometimes buy a lottery ticket and have been doing that for years. Almost everyone in my family drinks, from moderately (like once or twice a week) to very rarely (like once or twice a year). There are no alcoholic or gambling problems in my family. Yet it can’t be denied that both these things can be harmful for society and often cause problems for those who do that those who don’t are more likely to avoid.
I am not sure what the difference is. Due to how human beings are created, there will always be a higher risk of genetic defects for children born of cousin marriages than of children not born of cousin marriages.
If obeying those in authorty is allowed in 4:59, then why do Jews and Christians get criticized for doing the same things when they obey rabbis and priests who allegedly made unlawful what Allah said is lawful and made unlawful what He said is lawful?
Banning people from practicing cousin marriage would ban them from doing something lawful that Allah in the Quran (if it from Him) said is lawful, would it not?
No problem. I don’t agree with them and I hate it when people use hypocrisy in any debates, including in debates with Muslims. I am sorry to say that many non-Muslims, including many Christians, play stupid games like this against your people.
I understand where you are coming from. I think that given the increased likelihood of birth defects- in particular when it becomes widespread, banning it would make sense. It seems to be to me far more potentially dangerous than a relationship between two people who suckled at the same breast as children.
Mish mushkil akhi
Yes, that's a generalization that what's not mentioned is allowed. It is not like that marriage is allowed that's mentioned by name. But I guess you're right, that generalization should cover it too.
Yet it doesn’t. Cousin marriage is not something that is not allowed… yet for some reason two babies who suckle from the same breast, even if unrelated, can’t get married. Why is this? What is the genetic risk there?
ِAs for the side question, it is actually in the Arabic language itself, and in the Arabic culture that the daughter includes grand daughters and parents include grandparents. Even now grandparents consider grandchildren their own children as part of culture.
Cool, thank you for sharing this.
Actually, I believe that gambling, the one mentioned in the quraan which involves money, is harmful by nature. Basically, it transfers money from a person to another in an undeserving way.
Isn’t the same true with a gift or an act of charity? If two people agree to place a gamble of money and according to their agreement one wins and one loses, what harm was done?
Gambling in the lexical sense is something normal, not the one Islam forbids. But I'm recalling things from the back of my head. Perhaps you could provide the verse? If you would like to talk about this too. I personally prefer having it some other time, as the belief I mentioned is what's more important here.
No problem my brother, here it is:
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They ask you (O Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم) concerning alcoholic drink and gambling. Say: "In them is a great sin, and (some) benefit for men, but the sin of them is greater than their benefit." And they ask you what they ought to spend. Say: "That which is beyond your needs." Thus Allah makes clear to you His Laws in order that you may give thought."
Thank you
To add to it; the only three cases of birth defects I know of around me in real life are completely unrelated to cousin marriage. It includes one dawn syndrome and two incomplete/immature body parts growth (if I get the description right); one direct cousin, one relative in law, and one cousin's relative in law.
I am sorry to hear about this, it is always sad when someone has a disease. It is however been documented that in populations where consanguinity is practiced there are higher rates of birth defects. I am glad the people around you have not been affected.
In my family, my parents sometimes buy a lottery ticket and have been doing that for years. Almost everyone in my family drinks, from moderately (like once or twice a week) to very rarely (like once or twice a year). There are no alcoholic or gambling problems in my family. Yet it can’t be denied that both these things can be harmful for society and often cause problems for those who do that those who don’t are more likely to avoid.
Basically yes, but not entirely and simply in the way previous people did and took the liberty to do without care and for personal reasons. Also, it is within the time that has the reason to ban it, and not forbidding it in it self. So we cannot forbid cousin marriage as if we updated the Quraan, no, we could ban it under circumstances in the presence of those circumstances, but not forbidding cousin marriage for itself. Parents, for example enforce curfew on their children, and children should do that according to Islam, while going out is actually allowed in Islam.
Quraan 4:59 says:
"O you who have believed, obey Allah and obey the Messenger and those in authority among you. And if you disagree over anything, refer it to Allah and the Messenger, if you should believe in Allah and the Last Day. That is the best [way] and best in result."
And such a verse is there for a reason, and I believe it is pretty much related to our discussion.
I am not sure what the difference is. Due to how human beings are created, there will always be a higher risk of genetic defects for children born of cousin marriages than of children not born of cousin marriages.
If obeying those in authorty is allowed in 4:59, then why do Jews and Christians get criticized for doing the same things when they obey rabbis and priests who allegedly made unlawful what Allah said is lawful and made unlawful what He said is lawful?
Banning people from practicing cousin marriage would ban them from doing something lawful that Allah in the Quran (if it from Him) said is lawful, would it not?
Glad we agree on this. But the thing is, the same other people who take allowing cousin marriage as a criticism against Islam, say they are okay because they are their free.decision. But this is not on you. I don't and didn't mean using it against you.
No problem. I don’t agree with them and I hate it when people use hypocrisy in any debates, including in debates with Muslims. I am sorry to say that many non-Muslims, including many Christians, play stupid games like this against your people.
I understand where you are coming from. I think that given the increased likelihood of birth defects- in particular when it becomes widespread, banning it would make sense. It seems to be to me far more potentially dangerous than a relationship between two people who suckled at the same breast as children.
Mish mushkil akhi