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Countries like Australia prove secularism does not equal communism and other violent antitheisms
- Thread starter danieldemol
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Someone was telling me in another thread that secularism is the cause of the killings of the 20th century, I was trying to explain that there are masses of peaceful secularists, we are not all violent communists and nazis threatening to ban religion.
HonestJoe
Well-Known Member
I think the fundamental problem here is that most people are grossly ignorant of what secularism actually means.
What does it mean to you?
HonestJoe
Well-Known Member
It depends very much on context (which is part of the problem) but at the very basic level, it is simply any social structure which doesn’t involve any specific religious beliefs, rules or practices as a basis.
As with some many think (including religions themselves), I don’t think it is especially useful to talk about being for or against secularism as a generic concept but rather to address the specific circumstances of any given scenario (real or hypothetical). I think a focus on specifics would eliminate much of the misunderstanding/misrepresentation you're referring to in the first place.
Darkforbid
Well-Known Member
Well in the UK we have the Lords Spiritual with Bishops having a vote in the house of Lords,, all the objections to this seem only based on religion
Of course it will, give it a few years. What liberals claim to oppose today will become a celebrated lifestyle choice by tomorrow.
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PruePhillip
Well-Known Member
Pederasty was practiced in Greek and Roman times. It was essentially adults
having sex with pubescent children. This will come too, but not for another
two or three generations - I hope. It's well on its way, particularly with gay boys,
the sexualizing of children, the growing youth of Hollywood actresses and such.
PruePhillip
Well-Known Member
Sick of me, or sick of society?
There was this African-American professor in a Georgia university.
In the 1990's he wrote a paper suggesting that either child porn
would be normalized, or pederasty (can't remember which now)
He pointed out that people found "feminism" revolting in 1900. It
was respectable by the 1960's. People found homosexuality
revolting in the 1950's and it was respectable by 2,000. His
point is that this kid stuff is revolting today, but tomorrow it will
respectable - not decriminalized, not ignored by respectable.
Georgian legislature couldn't sack him so withdrew the equivalent
of his salary from the university.
George was one of three states to begin watering down child porn
laws twenty years later (over the issue, I recall, of the issue of
ownership of files on hard drives when porn is found.)
There was a campaign in the early 2000's in the UK to ban those
child beauty pageants - the ones with stilettos, makeup and such.
Started to make headway for a while but then the public turned
against the activists. I was surprised to see church clergy supporting
the rights of 5-7 year olds to perform in beauty pageants.
We just don't see things coming when they come so slowly.
BilliardsBall
Veteran Member
Your point is moot. It is my prayer for Australia that is the sole thing between this continent and the very abyss.
Secularism vs theocracy? Never theocracy. Man is too flawed to rule in that way. A secular government with freedom for its citizens to worship whatever god they choose, (or not choose to for that matter) is best IMO. Theocracies take away that freedom on the opinion of some human that claims to speak for god.
Depends. Does he force his religious opinions on the populace through his political position?
Prestor John
Well-Known Member
So does the U.S.
Religious people can be secular. And we've had an atheist PM.
Kangaroo Feathers
Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
"but it's complicated~!" Seems like a crummy reason to disallow something.
I assume polygamous divorce law would be the same as monogamous divorce law. If one person wants to pursue a relationship with a new partner and their old partner(s) aren't happy about it, the partnership comes to an end.
Kangaroo Feathers
Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
"but if we allow thing x, next thing you know, paedophilia will be normalised and legalised!" is the go to slippery slope argument of everyone everywhere who can't construct an argument against thing x, but really, really want to.
Support for the monarchy is 41% source Support for the Royal Family in Australia just hit an 18 year high
Martin
Spam, wonderful spam (bloody vikings!)
Streuth, that's higher than I thought!