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Featured Countries banning of kosher meats are forcing "expulsion" of Jews

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by IndigoChild5559, May 16, 2019.

  1. Firemorphic

    Firemorphic Activist Membrane

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    I suppose you're vegan then?
     
  2. Notanumber

    Notanumber A Free Man

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  3. The Ragin Pagan

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    Those farms still exist. But still, let's worry more about that when a firm consensus on fish and pain comes to bear.

    For this issue, it is clear beyond a doubt that large mammals such as cattle feel pain. This can be observed physically and vocally from the smallest pain to the greatest, and is clearly seen in ancient and outdated methods of slaughter. Furthermore, and again, that these animals are placed in our care as livestock, there is a greater responsibility to humane and ethical slaughter. Kosher slaughter does not achieve this, as the animals can still be seen to struggle and suffer after their throats are slit.
     
  4. Notanumber

    Notanumber A Free Man

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    Animals can smell blood.

    Animals should be stunned in a separate area where they cannot be seen by other animals and then taken to the slaughterhouse while unconscious.
     
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    charlie sc Well-Known Member

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    You can’t see the animal suffering or has religion blinded your empathy in this regard?
     
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    That is because the masses do not consume game animal nor even have any interest unless directed to care by others. Heck my brother had to put two rounds into a moose a few years ago. The steaks and jerky were not harmed! Again the masses will care when someone tells them to care.

    Yes. Government is not a logic based institution nor are the whims of the masses.
     
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  7. Saint Frankenstein

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    Agreed. Kosher and halal slaughter, as well as factory farms can all be banned in my opinion.
     
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  8. Shad

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    Didn't expect this given your posting history.
     
  9. Notanumber

    Notanumber A Free Man

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    I wrote a post about it on here soon after I joined.

    I have been vegetarian all my life and became a vegan a several years ago.

    Unusual I know for someone that was born and brought up on dairy farm.

    I think I mentioned The Silence of the Lambs in that post.
     
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    I do not read intro posts. It just seems odd given your political views. The political stereotypes between vegans and your own posting history as far as I have read.
     
  11. Notanumber

    Notanumber A Free Man

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    I believe that animals should be treated with respect in the same way that I believe that humans should be treated equally without fear or favour.
     
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  12. IndigoChild5559

    IndigoChild5559 Loving God and my neighbor as myself.

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    Absolutely not. kosher slaughter is designed to be humane. Animals are unconscious within second if done properly.
     
  13. The Ragin Pagan

    The Ragin Pagan A.K.A. The Kilted Heathen

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    Or they're rendered unconscious immediately and prior to exsanguination if done ethically
     
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  14. Shad

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    I doubt this was the purpose. Looks like modern projection.

    Obviously it is more humane than what hunters do legally.
     
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    KelseyR The eternal optimist!

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    Many animals start feasting before their kill is dead. Jewish practices are civilized compared to that.
     
  16. IndigoChild5559

    IndigoChild5559 Loving God and my neighbor as myself.

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    Oh brother. Rolls eyes.
     
  17. Ancient Soul

    Ancient Soul The Spiritual Universe

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    What's the matter, cannot you even defend your own beliefs?

    It's not up to me to prove the "kosher slaughter" is cruel and inhumane, that's self evident.

    If a serial killer went on trial for slitting people and making them suffer a prolonged and agonizing death as they s-l-o-w-l-y bleed to death, with his victims in pain and full well knowing that they were dying for all that time, he would be branded a sick and cruel evil monster.
     
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    Its NOT slow.. Its very fast. Have you never seen a skilled Halal or Kosher butcher?
     
  19. sooda

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    Yes.. and its dependent on the skill of the person doing the slaughtering. I just wonder how "efficiently" a high speed commercial slaughtering operation could meet the standards of Halal or Kosher.
     
  20. Ancient Soul

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    I find it strange how so many man made religions are so totally devoid of any empathy or compassion, and only teach cruelty and utter evilness.
     
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