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Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by JJ50, Jun 18, 2019.

  1. loverofhumanity

    loverofhumanity Well-Known Member
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    I believe human knowledge to be finite and prone to error but the knowledge of the Manifestations of God to be true knowledge, infallible and never wrong.

    So while I admit I have shortcomings and failures, my complete trust in the Manifestations of God, and in Their laws and teachings for each age, is unquestionable.
     
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  2. Milton Platt

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    Generally speaking there is no absolute knowledge (yes, there are logical absolutes and such, but that's a different thing). I do not believe any gods exist because what little evidence has been provided in support of them has been hearsay, personal "experiences" (which are also hearsay to everyone except the person who allegedly had the experience), and arguments from ignorance.
    I so, can a god of some type exist? Possibly. Is it any one of the ones proposed to me so far? No. Because they are internally inconsistent or logically flawed concepts. Many appear to have lower morals than the average person today. Besides, any being worthy of worship probably wouldn't want it.
     
  3. Fool

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    how would you be tormented in hell; if you had no physical senses with which to feel something?
     
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    I freely admit my beliefs are literally wrong, but metaphorically they are deeply insightful.
     
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  5. Saint Frankenstein

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    Yes, I could be wrong but I don't really care as everyone else could be wrong, too. I'm not afraid of any eternal damnation because the whole concept is entirely too stupid and silly for me to take seriously. So I may be wrong but not as wrong as that.
     
  6. ChristineM

    ChristineM "Be strong" I whispered to my coffee.
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    I am convinced that i am correct given the current evidence. However that evidence could change, in which case i would need to re-evaluate my position.

    The main evidence (or 100% lack if it has not changed in the history or the universe so i wont be holding my breath while waiting.

    As for the wearing asbestos fashion accessories, i would think a bit of chaffing would be preferable to the alternative crowded with smug religious types gloating and informing you in supercilious tones "i told you so, didnt i tell you..."
     
  7. MJ Bailey

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    Being a person in whom has not ever believed in any aspect of afterlife but has been shown more than once that it does exist, yeah it's there. You can try as hard as you would like to dismiss it, yet your own existence has a particulate Energy does not stop existing regardless to the form in which it's created; it transforms and continuants. Inarguable
     
  8. Lee Hays

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    Believers - believe
    Non believers - don’t believe

    Are you asking if anyone is ready to change?
     
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    What makes you think there's an afterlife? What's the proof?
     
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    My dear what is this contradictory rhetoric? I got confused between this is water and no it is not. 1+1 = 2 do you think some one will come to proof something different? (We will show them our signs in the horizons and in themselves until they discern the truth) translated Quran.
     
  11. Lee Hays

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    Hmm are you asking
    If any believers are willing to question
    And if any non believers are willing to question?

    The answer is No - there is a reason we believe - or don’t. If there a question - your already on the other side.
     
  12. Lee Hays

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    If you require more prof - then stop asking people - we believe - that’s our belief if you don’t believe - what’s prof gonna do?

    I think your trying to post a trick question
     
  13. Jos

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    No I'm not. I just wanna know why the person believes there's an afterlife... that's it, I'm not trying to trick anyone.
     
  14. Lee Hays

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    Oh - ok
    So your not asking if a non believer may be wrong...

    I believe in the afterlife - but I can’t explain the science of belief to you (not You personally)
    Do you believe your family loves you?

    Why do you believe your family loves you?
    I know you have examples, but I wanna know why you believe it - if it’s just the examples of Love - that’s good enough for me - but I think that answer is not good enough for you..
     
  15. URAVIP2ME

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    I found that my stance on matters of faith was wrong because of false clergy teachings.
    Later, I found that my stance on matters of faith is Not wrong as found in Scripture.
    'Afterlife' is Not a Bible teaching but Resurrection is - Revelation 1:18; Acts of the Apostles 24:15.
    ( Afterlife implies being more alive 'after' death than before death )
    Scripture teaches the dead know nothing -> Psalms 6:5; Psalms 13:3; Psalms 115:17; Isaiah 38:18; Ecclesiastes 9:5
    This is why Jesus also taught the dead are in a sleep like state at John 11:11-14.
    No asbestos clothing needed for biblical hell because the Bible's hell is mankind's temporary stone-cold grave.
    So, the day Jesus died he went to biblical hell (Acts of the Apostles 2:27) until his God resurrected Jesus out of hell.
    Also, biblical hell comes to a 'final end' according to Revelation 20:13-14.
    Everyone in biblical hell (aka grave) will be ' delivered up' (that means resurrected out of hell/grave) then, emptied-out hell is cast empty into that symbolic ' second death ' for vacated hell/grave.
     
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  16. Lee Hays

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    How did you find yourself back in the faith after the teachings? Or did you find out the teaching were wrong through faith?
     
  17. URAVIP2ME

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    Good question ^ above ^ , an inquiring mind wants to know.
    I too would like to know why anyone believes in an afterlife because there is a BIG difference between the afterlife teaching and the Bible's teaching about a coming Resurrection.
    Afterlife implies a person is immortal and even more alive after death than before death.
    Whereas, Resurrection is future, as found at Acts of the Apostles 24:15 that there ' is going to be ' a resurrection.....
    Biblically speaking a person is 'Not death proof' because the wages sin pays is: death, Not being alive after death.
     
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  18. Lee Hays

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    Is the word Hell - come from Greek word ... Buried -
    Is that right - I think that’s what your talking about...
    Does the Bible say - for 3 days? Or is that the time Jesus spent buried?
     
  19. Rival

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    This word infact has a Germanic root and is present in most Germanic languages. Hades would be the Hellenic.
     
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  20. URAVIP2ME

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    Thank you for asking.
    One day an older gentlemen said to me I have good news for you and he read me Ecclesiastes 1:4 B.
    Both in school and in church taught me the Earth was going to be destroyed.
    But there in the Bible it was informing me the Earth abides forever, so I wanted to know more.
    Instead of 2 Timothy 3:1-5,13 talking about the end of Earth, it is talking about the last days of badness on Earth.
    The last days here before Jesus, as Prince of Peace, will usher in global Peace on Earth among people of goodwill.
    Instead of just a heavenly hope there is an earthly hope held out for us - Psalms 37:9-11; Matthew 5:5.
    I had a King James and bought a cross-reference Douay study Bible and the more I read the more I saw there is a BIG difference between the teachings of ' Christendom ' and what we can really learn from the Bible.
    Christendom's clergy basically teaches church traditions or church customs as if they are Scripture.- Matthew 15:9
    So, through prayer, reading and studying the Bible by subject or topic arrangement is how I found out biblical truth.
    It is the Bible that sets us free. Free from what is biblically false.
     
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