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Could this photo of juror help Derek Chauvin's appeal?

Discussion in 'General Debates' started by Mestemia, May 4, 2021.

  1. Mestemia

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    Jury consultant Alan Tuerkheimer explains why there could be grounds for appeal in Derek Chauvin's case after a photo of one of the trial jurors showed him wearing a Black Lives Matter shirt at the March on Washington.
     
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    Totally irrelevant that a juror understood the purpose of BLM. Their purpose is seeking equality and civil rights for black people. Conservatives have been trying to taint the image of BLM, but all this does is help expose the inherent racism in conservative values.
     
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    That picture means he is not disinterested. He is biased. It's much stronger grounds than Maxine Waters saying people need to be more confrontational (as this was something the jurors should have been shielded from).
    It is a disaster for the case if this is true.
     
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    Well, on the plus side the other 11 jurors were convinced of Chauvin's guilt given the excellent evidence offered by the prosecution. And on top of that a 13th alternate juror said she would have convicted Chauvin on all counts as well. Sao I think whatever is going on with this issue is grasping at straws.

    Lets note that prosecutors were going to arrest Chauvin outside the courthouse if he was acquitted for his actions in an event in 2017. So his trouble would not have ended that day.

    Fortunately the jury acknowkdged the massive evidence against him and he was convicted.
     
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    And are you suggesting that a person who is championing civil rights for black citizens is biased against police officers?
     
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    Pretty typical to throw spaghetti at the wall.
     
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    That's pretty good spaghetti.
    There's a legitimate question of undue bias.
     
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    Doesn't matter. This guy was a juror who's decision mattered, not the backups. And all it takes is just one juror to bring the whole thing down.
    When jurors are selected, they are very carefully selected especially in regards to reduce bias. This is why many defense lawyers request trials outside the county they happened in, to select jurors who are less likely to be knowledgeable or aware of the case (though, admittedly, this is sometimes very difficult regardless of location). Showing any sort of bias or favoritism or preference towards the defendant and a potential juror is considered biased and dismissed. In this case, on potential juror was allegedly dismissed after he stated he is a martial arts instructor and knows what Chauvin did was deadly and illegal. That is biased, and jurors need to be disinterested.
    If a juror ahead of jury duty is attending a march in support of the murder victim, with a shirt acknowledging what happened and voicing a position in opposition to, this screams bias and is no good for jury selection.
    Where did this come from?
     
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    Not irrelevant that the picture raises a real concern of his lying on the forms.

    Did you perhaps watch the video?
    You reply indicates that you have not.
     
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    I do not know about them, but I will flat out state that it is a real concern.
    Especially given his suspected lies on official forms.

    I am not saying that person is guilty.
    I am saying it is cause for investigation.

    Do you disagree?
    If so, why?
     
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    Myself, I am hesitant to think CNN would publish this without first heavy scrutinizing and vigorous fact checking, as it certainly falls out of their normal bias. Still needs further looking into, but as presenting this looks potentially damning. As in mistrial of the century, confidently labeled so despite there being 79 more years left in it, because "get your knee of our necks" can only be explained as an opinion regarding the matters of the trial being made and cemented before the trial. Being the first juror to talk about it doesn't help his case either.
     
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