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Featured Could the rapture be a collective enlightenment?

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by Xavier Graham SA, Aug 15, 2021.

  1. Jeremiah Ames

    Jeremiah Ames Well-Known Member

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    Yes, that does make sense.

    Just food for thought: What if the “second coming” has already come?

    Is anyone absolutely 100% sure that is not the case?

    There is rampant misunderstanding of the Bible in this world.
     
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    I understand Armageddon and Rapture are different names of the same phenomenon. Right?

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  4. Xavier Graham SA

    Xavier Graham SA God is Love, is love, is love. OM, AV KAH AHH!

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    The OP is close to post millennialism I think
     
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    One will be taken aback to note that Armageddon/Rapture is nothing like as one would have imagined or known so far. It is not to be fought with any physical and destructive weaponry and or the lethal arsenal of the day. It is peaceful and in fact, I understand, it has already started and it is sown like a seed!

    It was a debate between the Pauline-Christianity (represented by Mr. Abdullah Atham) and the Second Coming 1835-1908 , that took place in Urdu language and was published then by the name “Jang-e-Muqaddas” in 1893 ( 22 May 1893 to 5 June 1893) in the then British India and has been recently translated and published in English by the name “The Holy War”:

    The Holy War — A DEBATE BETWEEN ISLAM & CHRISTIANITY — Jang-e-Muqaddas (alislam.org)

    Right?

    I am a peaceful Ahmadiyya Muslim
     
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  6. Xavier Graham SA

    Xavier Graham SA God is Love, is love, is love. OM, AV KAH AHH!

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  7. Xavier Graham SA

    Xavier Graham SA God is Love, is love, is love. OM, AV KAH AHH!

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    The whole argument seems a bit circular to me... I appreciate the link it was very informative. When using the Book of Revelations as a reference point to the amount of days, do you think that the fact that the Book of Revelations was written in Greek, while Daniel was written in Hebrew, matters? Like, doesn’t that affect the legitimacy of using Revelations as a linguistic metric, perhaps? I don’t know, I’m not well versed on it, it’s very interesting . Jehovah Witness eschatology deeply interests me.
    I think at the very least though your beliefs are as circular as mine. I don’t think mine are circular really ;)
    In regards to study of the Bible in order to figure out what the truth is. I understand that JW’s have very in depth study of it generally and their theology is a result of deep study. I think the resulting theology is due to circular reasoning, but that’s me. Perhaps you hear that a lot from non JW’s.
    In regards to the OP, there are the concepts of Post millennialism and the Social Gospel, are similar to what I propose. The idea that the end days have to be brought about by collective human moral action. I’ve just discovered these concepts. So there are theologians that have put study and hypothesis towards this idea, using the Bible. I have come to this conclusion as a result of my personal study of the Bible. As I continue to study it, my understanding will evolve.
    We can both study the same Bible with the same genuine faith and come to completely different conclusions and lifestyles :):D
     
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    " We can both study the same Bible "

    The 4-Gospels are :
    1. neither the "literal word of God",
    2. nor the first person narrative of Jesus.
    3. It is a 3rd person narrative
    4. of anonymous writers
    5. only given names after the disciples for credulity.
    Using Bible as a mathematical tool for calculation of period of events, therefore, would be asking too much of the NT.
    JW's are no different than the other denominations of Pauline-Christianity in this connection including the Mormons, please.
    Right?

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    When one finishes it reading, please share me with one's thoughts.
    Regards
     
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  10. Xavier Graham SA

    Xavier Graham SA God is Love, is love, is love. OM, AV KAH AHH!

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    Currently starting the Quran, I’m gonna read through that first before the recommended book, but I’ll let you know my thoughts on the Quran too, once I’m done!
     
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    I believe if you showed me a picture of Jesus coming in the clouds with a fiery sword then I would believe it has already come.
     
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    I believe that is false. It is possible that the first fruit rapture of Jews could predate the Battle of Armageddon but I believe the main rapture will occur after Armageddon.
     
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    I believe that appears correct from a cursory glance.
     
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    Twilight Hue Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.

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    It's delusional in terms of something like that actually happening in reality.

    A spiritual ideal perhaps but not realistic.
     
  15. Xavier Graham SA

    Xavier Graham SA God is Love, is love, is love. OM, AV KAH AHH!

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    Improbable, but not impossible, I think. As a Christian, I believe man was once perfect beings. In the same manner we left that perfect state, we can return to it, since it’s our original form. I think society would have to go through generations of positive change / environmental influences.
    It may be a delusion of grandeur. But if it is achieved, it would no longer be a delusion. Just grand.
     
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    this is a rapture 2 corinthians 12:2

    enlightenment occurs where time ends and the infinite is realized

    daniel 12:2


    ephesians 5:14
     
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  17. Jeremiah Ames

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    Ah yes.

    You’re looking for a literal “coming” in literal “clouds”, with a literal “sword”.

    Ummm, ok.

    You win.
     
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