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Could a woman President actually be good for America?

Discussion in 'North American Politics' started by Jonathan Bailey, Jan 15, 2020.

  1. PureX

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    What killed the steel mills on the Great Lakes wasn't "eco nazis", it was capitalism. Investors only care about maximizing their immediate returns, and so rewarded the CEOs for keeping those returns high. But that meant not spending profits updating the plants, which were all built way back in the 30s. Meanwhile, newer foreign plants were being built around the world with modern updates that made them far more efficient and produced higher quality steel, cheaper. So manufacturers began buying the better, cheaper, foreign steel which only made the American steel plants LESS inclined to spend any of their profits updating their plants. Especially when they could just abandon it and build a whole new plant in some foreign country where they could avoid unions and exploit the workers. So that's what they did. It had nothing at all to do with ecological restrictions. That was just an excuse for their selling out the American people for bigger profits making steel in foreign countries, by exploiting foreign workers.
     
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  2. Jonathan Bailey

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    American job pay is not equitable with the cost of living! The American Dream doesn't mean being a prisoner to debt. We shouldn't be buried in that new truck when we die of old age. In 1979 again, cash was king.
     
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    No one wants to take your guns. That's a threat the gun lobby keeps throwing at you to get you to fight any and all forms of gun regulation.

    You should add up the cost of those things you listed and see what you would have to earn each month to afford them. And then consider this (from a social security office report):
    -38 percent of all American workers made less than $20,000 last year.

    -51 percent of all American workers made less than $30,000 last year.

    -62 percent of all American workers made less than $40,000 last year.

    -71 percent of all American workers made less than $50,000 last year.
     
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  4. Jonathan Bailey

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    It sounds like Donald Trump may have stimulated the growth of a lot of burger-flipping, mopping, sweeping and coffee-pouring jobs but precious few professional careers, government jobs and skilled-trade jobs. Might as well stay on welfare or disability. No true incentive to work.

    Is there a link for that social security report?

    Never mind, I found it here:

    Goodbye Middle Class: 50% Of American Workers Make Less Than $33,000 A Year

    Trump then has to be DUMPED!

    I don't need an AR-15 to dove hunt anyway. A bolt action works just fine for deer and a Bellini Nova pump shotgun works just fine for dove season.
     
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    It would depend on political principles, not on gender.
     
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    oldbadger Skanky Old Mongrel!

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    Not spoken like any kind of true Christian, sadly.

    Sorry. You cannot have what you want. I have told the great god of fate to deny you! :p
     
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    Lousy environmentalists and their need for clean air and water!

    The Androscoggin river in Maine was, in my youth, so polluted by mills you couldn't get within 50 feet of it without gagging. Sure couldn't fish it. It required bubblers so that fish didn't sufficate. Even today, chemicals are still dumped into it. It was an inspiration for the Clean Water Act, and is at least approachable now and you can fish in it.

    Blaming environmentalists for choking out industries is like blaming your doctor you can't eat fast food anymore while ignoring the fact that you feel much healthier.
     
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  8. Nowhere Man

    Nowhere Man Bompu Zen Man with a little bit of Bushido.

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    Also called shooting yourself in the stomach just to cure a case of indigestion.
     
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    I will have to pick a Demo for Prez this November, dame or no dame.
    Who's your Demo pick for the primaries?
     
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    Nowhere Man Bompu Zen Man with a little bit of Bushido.

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    That's what the socialist Democrats want. A class of dependents reliant on their social programs. Keeps them in office.

    Independent self reliant people don't need socialist Democrats.

    The burger-flipping, mopping, sweeping and coffee-pouring jobs are the aftermath of socialist policies designed to chase the good jobs away leaving jobs that force people to seek supplements.

    Result?

    Socialist Democrats happily entrenched.
     
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    Most likely Sanders.
     
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    Nowhere Man Bompu Zen Man with a little bit of Bushido.

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    I would love to see an American version of Margaret Thatcher.
     
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    Having a president is generally a good idea, yes.
     
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    Some of us already knew that.
    But the last 3 years have given us some much
    needed crucial data on one candidate.
     
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    Is Sanders best for the American working class? Is he our best hope to revive a strong middle class? What were the working American income bracket percentages under Obama as compared with Dubya Bush before him?
     
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    A good description of destroying life support systems in order to maintain an unhealthy enterprise!
     
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    I posted a thread over in a deer hunting forum

    that had this for a header:

    "I voted for Trump in 2016, but he has to be dumped this November!"

    It was posted in their "off-topic" forum.

    They summarily banned me for "being a weirdo".

    Fine then, I hope flipping burgers at McDonalds makes them just enough money to go hunting for gophers with a BB gun.
     
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    I don't know if he's the "best" or the "least among many evils." I think the best thing that could happen for America's working class is a revitalized and stronger labor movement.
     
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    Fortunately for both of us, RF is a bit more tolerant of "weirdos" than I might expect from a deer hunting forum.

    But then again, deer hunters sing Frankie Valli tunes and play Russian Roulette, so I don't think they have much room to talk in calling people "weird."
     
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    They weren't wrong.


    Just kidding!
     
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