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Featured Cosmology of the Electric Universe

Discussion in 'Science and Religion' started by Native, Feb 28, 2021.

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  1. Native

    Native Free Natural Philosopher & Comparative Mythologist

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    Native said:
    Big Bang?
    Dark matter?
    Dark energy?
    Newtons occult force?
    Galaxies which moves in overlight speed?
    Do you have an automatic PC programme to all replies?
     
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    TagliatelliMonster Well-Known Member

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    And I told you that I don't understand what you are trying to say and asked YOU to explain that which you apparantly understand and I don't.

    It is, after all, your claim.

    I'ld assume that you'ld be able to defend your claim.

    Apparently though, you can't. All you can do is try and shift the burden of proof.

    You're the one here who claims to see what all others, including world leading scientists, apparently are missing.

    Yet when we ask you to explain that which you claim to understand that others don't, you refuse.


    Why?
     
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    Done. It's off the table. Out of mind, out of sight.
    Consider us blank slates.

    Now demonstrate the electric universe instead of just asserting it.
     
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    TagliatelliMonster Well-Known Member

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    Yes, we have already established that we, along with all world leading scientists, don't understand the involved concepts.

    You apparently do.

    So please explain it to us.
     
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    None of these are relevant to your electric universe thingy.

    This is like a creationist who's "evidence for creationism" consists of nothing but complaining about, or attempt to poke holes in, evolution.

    In reality, when trying to support creationism, evolution shouldn't even come up.

    Same here. When trying to support the electric universe, "rivaling" ideas shouldn't even come up.
    Or is it indeed the case that your entire case "for" EU consists of nothing but the bashing of rivalling ideas?
     
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    Native Free Natural Philosopher & Comparative Mythologist

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    I´ve explained all of my opinions several times and just meet pure rejections and no serious attempts to follow my explanations.

    THAHT´S WHY I´m now asking anyone to get rid of old thought patterns and think for themselves and do their own analysis and math.

    The Atmospheric Pressure is conflated by Newton to deal with his superstitious "two body gravitational force".

    Take the challenge on for yourself or just leave it.
     
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    Native Free Natural Philosopher & Comparative Mythologist

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    You don´t deside what is relevant in MY OP.
     
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    Not once have you shared any math, which you would necessarily be required to do as a replacement for the math that you think is false.
    You claim your EU idea works better to explain things as tides, planetary orbits, galactic rotations etc then gravity. So necessarily you would have to
    1. share the math formula's that would replace those involving gravity
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    2. show how they are more accurate / work better then those involving gravity.

    And once again instead of actually demonstrating your ideas, you resort to the bashing of rivalling ideas.
     
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    It's not my decision either.

    It's basic logic.

    You don't support idea X by bashing idea Y and Z.
     
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    The formula is already a stage.

    The Atmospheric Pressure is conflated by Newton to deal with his superstitious "two body gravitational force".

    Replace Newtons "superstitious two body force on the Earth" with the laws of the Atmosheric Pressure.


    Just do your own homeworks.

     
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    Ok. Demonstrate how that would work.


    You're confused again. This is YOUR homework.
    Your claim, your burden of proof.
     
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    Prove yourself wrong and do your own homework. I´ve told you how several times now.
     
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    I am not a mind reader. If you think there is a better way to describe things, give some details. Otherwise, all you have is meaningless claims with no evidence or reason to think they are valid.

    You like to claim the same calculations would be done in your system, but *why* would the same ones be done?

    For example, why would things fall with constant acceleration in your system? How does air pressure produce such an acceleration?

    You claim pressure for moving the planets in their orbits. What is producing that pressure? We *know* that the vacuum of space is very, very good. So where does the pressure come from? How would we measure it?
     
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    It would help if you didn't expect people to be mind readers and supported the claims you make.

    People *do* make their own conclusions. And, based on what EU has said, the conclusion is that EU is nonsense.
     
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    No, actually, you haven't. You have made vague claims and asserted the standard model is silly. But you have given no details about any of your claims.

    OK, so you made a claim here. Sort of. You seem to say that 'atmospheric pressure' is enough to explain why things fall.

    OK, give the details. Why, given just atmospheric pressure, is the acceleration of things that fall always the same? use the concept of atmospheric pressure to explain why that would be the case.

    Then, make a prediction about whether things will fall in a vacuum (where there is zero atmospheric pressure). Once again, explain why your assumptions about atmospheric pressure dictate the prediction that you make. We can then make a vacuum chamber and test to see if your prediction works.

    YOU are the one making the claims. So the burden of proof, the requirement for providing evidence and explanations is on *you*, not on those who are trying to see if your ideas have any substance.
     
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    It isn't his homework. It is *yours*. They are your claims.

    And, frankly, they seem to not work at all from everything I can see. So enlighten us. Explain a few observations based on your ideas so we can see how they work.

    For example, explain how air pressure produces the actual observations of how things fall. Why is the acceleration constant? Why is it the same for all falling bodies? And what happens when there is no air pressure? Do things fall then or not?
     
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    You are evading, trying to change the subjects.

    This topic is yours...and it is about the Electric Universe cosmology and how you believe that EM effects “everything” and causes “everything”.

    Then fine, show a testable equation or equations of how EM caused the tides to rise and ebb, and the waves of water.

    Since you don’t believe it is caused by the gravity of the moon and the orbital motion, then surely you must have mathematical solution from some EM equations that cause sea tides and waves.

    Too hard? No answers?

    Ok, then try the planetary motions in our Solar System: rotational of planets (eg earth, Mars, Venus, Jupiter, Neptune, etc), the orbits of these planets.

    Do you have set of testable EM equations that would explain planetary rotations or orbiting motions?

    Oh, wait! You don’t believe it is the gravity of the sun...what you believe is that the EM fields and forces of the Milky Way galactic centre that cause all motions in our Solar System.

    Ok, then could you show us testable equations of the Milky Way being the cause of planetary motion in our Solar System?

    Native, I already know that vehemently disagree with Newtonian and Einstein’s theories on gravity, that every equations and every evidence of gravitational forces.

    You offered Electric Universe as alternative solutions to everything, from Earth to the universe, then surely Electric Universe must have alternative TESTABLE equations that support EM is the cause of everything.

    Clearly you are the expert in Electric Universe, so where are these alternative? Where are the testable EM equations that show EM are the cause of Earthly natural phenomena or the galactic natural phenomena?
     
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    What is that supposed to mean? That you reject using formulas?


    OK, so explain how atmospheric pressure explains the actual motion of things. In detail.

    Exactly how is that replacement done? The laws of atmospheric pressure say NOTHING about how things fall. All they do is explain how air pressure works. And, in the usual formulation the air pressure is produced by the gravitational force from the air above. Without gravity, you also need to explain how air pressure comes about at all.

    Then you have to explain the motion of things when there is no air pressure. For example, if a vacuum chamber is made, there is no atmospheric pressure inside. So, what does *your* explanation say should happen to something in such a vacuum chamber? Should it fall or not? Why or why not?
     
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    Exactly!

    Native should be able to present valid EM explanations and equations FOR Electric Universe, not whine about gravity or rant against Newton or against Einstein.

    If Electric Universe has valid alternative solutions, then he should present them. Native certainly haven’t shown any solution from EU.
     
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    Yes, you have been trying to shift the burden of proof for several times now.

    Every time, actually.
     
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