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Discussion in 'Comparative Religion' started by Vinayaka, Oct 18, 2022.

  1. stvdv

    stvdv Veteran Member: I Share (not Debate) my POV

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    Inflict physical pain is no problem

    BUT

    Only if it is well explained and not too hard


    To prove this ask your best free teacher
    The Cat:
    a) Annoy her, she slaps you on the wrist, no nails

    You crossed the line, hence correction was needed. Now you know that cat is serious, so you don't do it again

    b) Not listening...slap on the wrist nails used

    c) Not taking her serious, and really messing with her, that will get you the full treatment... a full blown "cat-attack". Claws in your face, teeth too + added audio


    There is nothing wrong with this educational Cat-lesson.

    Physical punishment to educate, in proportion of course, is "100" times better than emotional punishment (brainwashing) and "1000" times better than Spiritual punishment (Christians telling others "you go to Hell, God will punish you")

    And that it's better is a Scientifically proven fact

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  2. Shadow Wolf

    Shadow Wolf Registered People sTabber

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    That is incorrect.
     
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  3. firedragon

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    What happens with this kind of thing today is that most of it is just arbitrary. We just dream up things. This is good, this is bad, this is mundane, but there is no real science behind them. No study. We just bring them out from thin air. Sometimes it's just a superiority factor. We don;'t do that, but you do, so we are superior by default. Why? Because I feel like it. And some times I feel the others around me also feel like it. So we are superior and I am part of it. ;)

    There are people who have done Phd's in criminology or what ever related subjects who based on their studies say flogging is a valid punishment and is worth it. Peter Moskos wrote a book on flogging but particularly related to the United States.

    I don't know either way, which one is better or moral or what ever we like to apply to it as a feel good factor. If there is any research with some kind of quantitative testing that might play a major role in this discussion. THank you.
     
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  4. firedragon

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    You are right. Very rarely does that happen. Adults just bomb others remotely.
     
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  5. Shadow Wolf

    Shadow Wolf Registered People sTabber

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    And then Tom, Sally, Dick and Jane have studies that show flogging is ineffective.
    That is how science works, not what Peter finds and what Sally pulls out of the air and what Steve dreams of and it's all valid.
     
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  6. firedragon

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    That's great. Thank you.

    Please give me the author and the book that you have read. What kind of study is that? I will take a read.
     
  7. Shadow Wolf

    Shadow Wolf Registered People sTabber

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    I've read a degrees worth of psych books.
     
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  8. firedragon

    firedragon Veteran Member

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    I respect that you have read so many books. That's great.

    I am asking since you mentioned books like the one I mentioned with the authors name and topic, why not give the direct name of the book and the methodology so that one could read up?
     
  9. Heyo

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    You seem to be under the false impression that violence is the only form of correction.
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    from https://www.naturalchild.org/articles/research/corporal_punishment.html

    The effect of using violence to a child as a tool to get what you want is that they learn that violence is an option.
     
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  10. Shadow Wolf

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    Because I don't remember them. It's been awhile since I got my degree.
     
  11. Aupmanyav

    Aupmanyav Be your own guru

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    Hindu law books are not relevant and out-dated by at least a millennium. These are my personal views because of my up-bringing and life experience.
    At the moment we go by Indian laws. I give below (1) my reaction to them, and then (2) the Indian law today as far as I know.

    Corporal punishment in the home:
    Allowed within strict limits. * Indian law says it is cruelty.
    School corporal punishment: Not allowed. * Indian law says it is cruelty.
    Judicial corporal punishment: Would not mind. * Indian law does not have any such provision. Judiciary can punish by death, imprisonment or/and fine.
    Prison corporal punishment or disciplinary corporal punishment: Would not mind if it is within limits. * Indian law does not allow it.
    Military corporal punishment: Would not mind if it is used to ferret information. * Indian law does not allow it.
     
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  12. firedragon

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    K. Thank you.
     
  13. Mock Turtle

    Mock Turtle Hey God, what went wrong?
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    Aside from the studies that seem to show that physical punishment of children isn't that effective and might produce more harm than it cures, the following might suggest another result - give that authoritarian parents are probably more likely to physically chastise their children:

    Children whose parents lack warmth more likely to grow up obese, study finds

    UK data shows authoritarian or neglectful parenting linked to higher weight in children and adolescents.
     
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  14. Terrywoodenpic

    Terrywoodenpic Oldest Heretic

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    Not sure what else a cat could try.
    However we are not cats. we have better options.
     
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    I am completely against it.
    Hinduism says nothing about it.
     
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    I don’t think I know of any stories in Hindu literature sanctioning physical punishment. Except when the gods kill someone or open a can of whoop-*** on ‘em, but then hoo-boy! you’d have it coming! :D There is, however condemnation of corporal punishment in the general principle of ahimsā, non-injury.

    In modern times I think corporal punishment for the most part is disgusting. I see no benefit of whipping the crap out of an adult by any means. I think it only serves the purpose of setting up a plan of revenge.

    As far as for a child I really don’t think an occasional crack across the chops or a shot in the shorts is all that bad. There are times it’s a wake-up call to the child. I’ve gotten them when I was out of line, and frankly I deserved it. If we’re talking about the threats of regular beatings to keep a child in line, that too is disgusting.
     
  17. SkepticThinker

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    That's a great point that hadn't really occurred to me before - how it affects the parents as well.
    I'm sorry you carry that guilt around, but all we can do is the best we can, and live and learn and try to grow along the way. It sounds like that's exactly what you're doing. :)
     
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  18. SkepticThinker

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    Aside from the hitting stuff, "Daddy walks" sounds pretty cool.
    And I'm with you on the communication part.
     
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    So most of the professionals are either rarely or moderately punished which means some form of punishment is good as long as they are either rarely or moderately administered rather than never or severely.
     
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  20. Vinayaka

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    One of the core concepts of Hinduism is ahimsa. How can you say we say nothing about it?
     
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