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Copyrights and patents

Discussion in 'North American Politics' started by Curious George, Feb 25, 2019.

  1. Curious George

    Curious George Veteran Member

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    What are your opinions on copyrights and patents?

    Is this a symptom of the nanny state? If you think not, why should the government intervene in this matter and not other matters?

    Ought there be a limit regarding what can and cannot be copyrighted or patented?
     
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    There are big time limits on what can be patented.
     
  3. Curious George

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    Isn't it all just big government interfering with competition?

    Isn't this a symptom of the nanny state?
     
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    Good question.

    Humans aren’t honest creatures and with that being said there ought to be an intermediary between civilians when it comes to the construction of projects that may potentially generate revenue. Because without any intermediary anyone can obviously claim something as theirs. I believe on this basis most certainly should there be some form of intervention but how it’s mass produced, marketed, and used in our society is another story
     
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  5. esmith

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    Alright, let me ask you a question. You invent and have a working fusion reactor, some big company comes along takes your plans and starts producing and selling fusion reactors for power plants. They don't pay you a dime for your hard work. Are you OK with that.
     
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    It can get a little ridiculous, especially after the suit against Fortnite over The Carlton, dance move.

    Turns out the judge decided that such simple moves were not patentable.

    How Strong Is Alfonso Ribeiro's 'Carlton Dance' Lawsuit Against Fortnite Creator?

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  7. Curious George

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    Sounds like capitalism to me. You think the government should get involved and tell us what we can and cannot build/sell/produce?
     
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    Another view....
    To protect ownership of intellectual property is useful,
    just as it is to protect material property.
    If one invests in a technology, it's reasonable to grant
    some period of exclusive ownership. It incentivizes
    investment. The same is true for artistic works.

    There are questions of just what level of government
    becomes a "nanny state".....
    Do courts, police, military, & roads rise to that level?
    Or is it more about government providing more supportive
    things, eg, food, money, housing?
    Having property rights, courts & police powers don't seem
    to rise to the level of "nanny state".
     
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    Yep.
     
  11. esmith

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    In certain areas yes. If I was an inventor I would like some protection over my property rights.

    One of the most fundamental requirements of a capitalist economic system—and one of the most misunderstood concepts—is a strong system of property rights.
    Above from: https://www.econlib.org/library/Enc/PropertyRights.html

    What are Property Rights
    Property rights refer to the theoretical and legal ownership of specific property by individuals and the ability to determine how such property is used. In many countries, including the United States, individuals generally exercise private property rights – the rights of private persons to accumulate, hold, delegate, rent or sell their property. In economics, property rights form the basis for all market exchange, and the allocation of property rights in a society affects the efficiency of resource use.
    above from: Property Rights
     
  12. Curious George

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    I understand why. But intellectual property is a legal fiction. It is not material property. You cannot exclusively possess it once another person knows. Giving this legal fiction merit is condoning interference with a free market system.

    I think nanny state is a funny phrase, hence my use heretobefore (another fun and funny word).

    I am just struggling to understand why people are so supportive of interfering with the free market. Is it because a free market is not actually the best model?
     
  13. Curious George

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    Neither patents nor copyrights are necessary for a system to have strong property rights.
     
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    It's not about the exclusivity of knowing about it,
    but rather the right to use it for commercial purpose.

    Huh....I thought was obvious to all.
    Perhaps not.
    As an engineer, I pursued patents for that very reason.
    It was never to keep things secret.
    The term "free market" doesn't mean that there are no restrictions.
    For example, market freedom is enhanced by prohibiting monopolies.

    Free markets are typically defined by things like....
    - Not subsidizing one business over another.
    - Not regulating price of goods or services.
    But things like safety regulations for cars still allows
    free competition.
     
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    Let me guess....you don't have anything personally to protect?
     
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    Do you consider China a nanny state?
     
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    You misunderstand. What you are quoting is a specific counterpoint to esmith's assertion which I quoted.
     
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    Copyrights and patents are a form of monopoly.
     
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    Idk i do not live there. Though, you are aware that China has both patents and copyrights?
     
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