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Cops Don't Intervene In An Assault

Discussion in 'North American Politics' started by Revoltingest, Aug 10, 2020.

  1. Revoltingest

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    I can understand their not intervening when an all black group of
    girls beats up a young girl. No one is stabbing or shooting her.
    Had they intervened, they'd possibly have harmed her attackers
    more than she was harmed, risking escalation of the situation.
    Then there's the possibility of harm, death, protests, sanctions, &
    even prosecution for stopping a juvenile black on black beatdown.

    Still, doesn't the victim deserve protection in one of those rare
    cases where cops can end & even prevent an assault? Have
    we reached the point where many cops are so afraid of doing
    their job that they'll often stand down?

    https://nypost.com/2020/08/10/nypd-...r-as-11-year-old-is-beaten-in-broad-daylight/
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    NYPD cops had a front-row seat to a five-on-one brawl — but let the violence play out rather than doing their jobs to break it up, The Post has learned.

    An 11-year-old girl was slapped, punched, kicked and even shocked with a stun gun by a group of five other girls after a basketball game around 7 p.m. Sunday on East 125th Street near Madison Avenue in Harlem.

    During the roughly 4-minute beatdown, cops sat idly in nearby cruisers — but they didn’t get out until the girl was bloody and bruised, a Post photographer observed.

    At least 20 police cars were nearby on the street — with at least one a little more than a car-length away, photos show.

    Police sources told The Post the young girl was treated at Mount Sinai Hospital after being cut, bruised and shocked in the stomach with the stun gun. The girl told cops she didn’t know her attackers but knew two of their handles on social media, sources said.

    The NYPD did not immediately respond for comment. It was not known if any arrests were made in connection with the fight.

    The hands-off approach comes as the police unions challenge a portion of NYC’s chokehold bill that makes it a misdemeanor crime to use any technique during an arrest that could limit breathing.

    Top NYPD officials have also spoken out against the local reform, calling it dangerous, but have denied a slowdown — despite video leaking out from a weekly CompStat meeting capturing precinct leaders telling Chief of Department Terence Monahan that cops were “afraid” of facing charges over the law.

    Over the last month, arrests have plummeted, with cops making nearly 60 percent fewer collars, according to NYPD statistics released Monday.

    Cops are also pulling over fewer drivers, issuing a quarter of the normal speeding tickets — with the city’s speed cameras violation count holding steady.
     
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  2. sun rise

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    That sounds like the cops are refusing to enforce the law. If they won't do that, it's time for them to find another job. There are plenty of good cops to can enforce the law and work within the "rules of engagement".
     
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  3. Revoltingest

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    Except that this is becoming a trend.
    Trends cannot be fixed by replacing identified slackers.

    Also, if bystanders were OK with the beatdown, it would
    seem that intervening would've roused their ire too.
    I speculate that BLM is creating an anti-cop atmosphere
    that's harming their own interests. Given the rampant
    black on black violence, this creates a strong disincentive
    for cops to not engage. We need a cultural shift towards
    better attitudes in both cops & black folk.

    Btw, this thread is the type that could get the OP in trouble.
    If I get banned, say a few words in my defense.
    (Yes, I'm asking you to lie.)
     
  4. Revoltingest

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    That I know of we don't have that problem in Australia because guns are illegal and not widely available. Hence no need for choke holds
     
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    That's why there is all this talk about defunding, abolishing and restructuring the police.

    Th goal of the police in not intervening in such a situation (and of some of the media reporting on it). Is to create an either or scenario where you either support the status quo or a fabricated state of violent anarchy. They expect that the fence sitter will rally to the police because they have been indoctrinated to trust them and not rally to the scary outsiders that are political anarchists and BLM.
     
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  7. Revoltingest

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    Well, they were choking unarmed people.
    Can't blame that on guns.
     
  8. Revoltingest

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    I find it highly unlikely that anyone will use that "abolishing" phase.
    It would be known to criminal elements bent on mayhem & theft,
    who'd exploit the vacuum. Expect the populace to be armed &
    prepared for the "havoc holiday".
    That is "the goal"?
    How do you know that's their intent?
    No chance that many cops are just taking
    the safer (for themselves) approach?
     
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    Well I would ask why the need to choke unarmed people?

    Surely it would be more appropriate to call for sufficient backup to break up a brawl without use of deadly force?
     
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    You probably should google what abolishing police departments means before saying such things. Several police departments have been abolished in the past. Of course abolishment is just a process in the restructuration of law enforcement system.

    That's specifically what their union said they would do to protest rule changes on the techniques they can use when they apply force.
     
  11. Revoltingest

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    Could be multiple reasons....
    Anger, poor training, or heat of the moment.
    Yuh'd think that.
     
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    Perhaps you meant "defunding" rather than "abolishing", eh.
    I know what both terms mean, & they're very different.
    OK.
     
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    Six potential lawsuits or worse for stepping in to break it up. Even with the best of intention. That a lot of risk to ask a person to take on to break up a fight. You're risking your career, your family's security, your children's future.

    Maybe they shouldn't be police but I'm not sure who'd want that job. Time to set up a fallback career.
     
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    Isn't the municipal administration (or whoever is responsible for paying these cops) usually paying for eventual lawsuits?
    At least that's what I heard.
     
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    This trend by police is kind of predictable. The danger of being accused of being too aggressive with black criminals is now a bigger worry for them than being too soft. And it is a lot less work to do less.

    I am generally pro-police and they may have to get laid back until the citizenry demands they get tougher until everyone finds a balance. I think those with this rampant attitude against police need to see what it is like without them being strong out there for awhile.
     
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    Do you think that US police officers are now refusing to do their job in retaliation to BLM protests?

    Should people stop protesting police brutality?
     
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    I think the problem would be you could lose your job, so no money coming in to support your family and or your reputation could be screwed so no one will hire you after that. It's not the big finances, it's the little finances.

    Normally you'd have the back up of the police unions. Not sure if that is true anymore.
     
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    I think they are fed up with BLM attitudes and less motivated to get involved. That's what the OP is suggesting too.
     
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    As far as I can tell, repercussions for police violence are neglibible, and even US police officers who are being fired don't seem to have many problems being hired by police departments in different areas.

    As an example, George Floyd's murderer had at least four records of excessive violence under his belt before the hammer finally dropped on him (but only after a round of very public protests).
     
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    So people shouldn't protest police brutality?
     
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